Talk:BITS Pilani/Archive 1

Restructuring & Improvement
I have improved the article by restructering the contents to make it more readable.I have also removed a lot of informal tones and stuck with the NPOV. Also added new contents about Academics, Festivals. There were no references to anything. I have added a few. Please add references in the future. Moved the List of Notable BITS Alumni to a new article. Additions/Changes are welcome in that article.

Also, please add some images(in the right places).

Expand a bit on BITS_GOA & BITS_DUBAI. In future, we can move these to separate articles.

Vinwe 11:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Essay?
Please Avoid writing essays like: "OASIS indeed is a once in a lifetime experience that no one even remotely connected with it once, would even dream of missing ever again. In fact the Passion is so much that the OASIS 2006 Alumni edition is scheduled on October 28 this year at New York. For a BITSian, OASIS indeed is much more than an isolated area of vegetation in a desert."

Admission procedure
I restructured this content. My comments are as follows, in case someone is interested: Apart from that I just changed sentences/tone a bit to more formal. If someone can normalise the spelling of 'normalise/normalisation' etc., that would be good! Ashish G 01:41, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Artical was written assuming Indian reader (with significant use of "board", "PCM"), so I tried to make it general and understandable to outsider as well.
 * While old admission procedure is important to note, let current admission procedure take precedence.

Lingo of BITS, Pilani

Below is the lingo used by BITSIANS (in no particular order)

Illads : Guys from state of Tamil Nadu Choms : Guys from North India Gults : Guys from state of Andhra Pradesh Bongs : Guys from the state of West Bengal Ghatis : Guys from Central India

GA comments
✅ Bestharshu 06:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC) Philanthropy Pratik.mallya (talk) 21:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC) what was the motto? you need a motto to start a school? :X. No info could be found on this.Pratik.mallya (talk) 21:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC) what was the first batch size? No infoPratik.mallya (talk) 21:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC) what were the initial courses? No infoPratik.mallya (talk) 21:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC) any famous teacher/incident in the pre-WW II era? and NO there were NO notable teachers before; one should note that it wasn't a very good college; MIT representatives, on seeing the condition of the PHysics department, reportedly said that: "it cannot even be called a BAD physics department". Perhaps one should request the administration to provide these details? But they are not readily accessible (read: not there online). Pratik.mallya (talk) 21:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC) Reference(s) provided Bestharshu 04:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC) ✅Pratik.mallya (talk) 20:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC) they were not of any repute at all, so are not mentioned elsewhere. documents about them may survive in dusty folders at the University, but are not present online. Pratik.mallya (talk) 20:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Lead section is too small. These need to be summarized in the lead section - When was the insti started? Who started? Year? Who runs the college now? What is the distinction of the college? What courses do the college run?
 * Avoid one sentence paras. For eg: the entire "Brief history" section can be clubbed under one para.
 * Why did the founder set up the 'intermediate school'?
 * "...it was converted it into the Birla Engineering College with degree programmes in electrical and mechanical engineering..." - reference required
 * what prompted the conversion to engg college?
 * "..In 1964, the Birla Colleges of Arts, Commerce, Engineering, Pharmacy and Science ..." - so it means that apart from Birla college of Engineering or Birla Engg college, there were other colleges. If so, please provide the history of all of them

They were integrated into the main institute, to get a more coherent management. (i.e don't have duplicated administrative staff). There may also be a government of India-related reason (they have many many restriction, laws, and regulations), but i am not sure, and couldn't find the reason anywhere i searched Pratik.mallya (talk) An attempt has been made to provide maximum information on these questions. Bestharshu 04:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC) ✅Pratik.mallya (talk) 20:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC) Done Bestharshu 04:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC) isn't it there already? Two substantial references have been provided Bestharshu 04:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC) ✅ Bestharshu 06:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What were the reasons behind the merger of the colleges?
 * "....BITS Pilani received support from the Ford Foundation and benefited from an alliance with the MIT...." what support did it receive from Ford Foundation? When did it receive the support (year)? When was an alliance with MIT struck? what benefits did BITS get?
 * "BITS Pilani started to expand in India and abroad since 2000...." What prompted these expansions
 * "Acceptance rate in BITS is very low (Selectivity - < 2.6% in 2006) making it one the toughest schools in India and the world to get admission into...." provide reference
 * "They have opted out of the rankings since 2005." - why did they opt out?
 * "General Reputation: BITS Pilani is generally believed to be the institute of choice for toppers of the school leaving examinations in India. Every year the top students from around 20+ educational boards including the CBSE and ICSE usually join the Institute." - POV statement. remove this sentence. Bestharshu 11:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Alliances with Universities - provide references>
 * Suggestion to split article into BITS Pilani, BITS Pilani-Goa campus etc., —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.178.57.242 (talk) 03:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)  ✅ Pratik.mallya (talk) 16:14, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I went thru the remaining article and it was just a summary of the BITS prospectus. This article needs extensive work and references and cannot be deemed as GA material. Please refer Massachusetts Institute of Technology for an example of GA level work and IIT Kharagpur for FA level work. Kalyan 16:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

GA List

 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
 * 1) It is stable.
 * 2) It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
 * a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
 * 1) Overall:
 * a Pass/Fail: Kalyan 16:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * a Pass/Fail: Kalyan 16:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

LOGO??
Where has the logo gone? can someone re-upload it?? --Sandeep346 (talk) 10:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

grouped hyderabad under the list of main campuses Naw66 (talk) 00:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Is the logo we are using here under a free license? Because AFAIK the BIT-Pilani logo is under a copyright. Darnir_redhat (talk) 12:41, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Re-ordering
I suggest that the order of points should be like 1. Lead Paragraph 2. History 3. Organizational Structure/Administration 4. Campus Details 5. Academics (Which should include Distance Learning Programme) 6. Reputations and Rankings 7. Student Life 8. Alumni 9. Dubai Campus 10.Goa Campus 11.Hyderabad Campus For the last three points,only brief description should be present on the main page and rest details should go on the respective pages. If these changes are brought, it will be good for the article -Bestharshu 10:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bestharshu (talk • contribs)

SOURCE OF INFO
Most of the external references are from 'The Hindu' newspaper, which is partly owned by the family of the founders! Still, the newspaper itself is quite reputed for objective journalism, so it should'nt be a big issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratik.mallya (talk • contribs) 07:48, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Page Move

 * Moving the page from Birla Institute of Technology and Science to Birla Institute of Technology & Science.
 * See the logo of the institute and the website, the correct usage is the symbol ampersand '&amp;' and not the word 'and' in the name of the institute.
 * Also, setting a redirect from the earlier page.

Mayank Abhishek 05:31, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Photographs required
We need photographs of the clock-tower.Any help would be appreciated. Pratik.mallya (talk) 19:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move - Official name in logo and on institute website uses "&"

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Although looking at the webpage linked, I noticed it gave the copyright to "BITS Pilani". That may be a viable common name for a technical request? -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:20, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Birla Institute of Technology and Science → Birla Institute of Technology & Science The official logo of the institute and all usage on the institute's website (see http://www.bits-pilani.ac.in/Overview) uses this format. 16:05, 8 June 2012 (UTC) User:Skcpublic 01:24, 8 June 2012‎ (UTC)
 * Oppose. It is usual practice to expand abbreviations, including ampersands, in encyclopaedias. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:28, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Page Moving
Varun Sah 19:48, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I would suggest moving the page from Birla Institute of Technology and Science to Birla Institute of Technology and Science, Pilani.
 * Looking at the logo of the institute and the website, the correct usage includes the word 'Pilani'.
 * Also, I noticed the official website gives the copyright to "BITS Pilani". But keeping in mind the practice to expand abbreviations, avoiding the ampersand and expanding 'BITS' may be a good decision. However, omitting the word 'Pilani' from the official name does not seem correct.

The Birla Name
Entering Birla in the search bar leads to several articles of a similar nature. They should be merged into one single article. Perhaps it could be called Birla Educational Institutes Jodosma (talk) 23:19, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh no never, BITS Pilani is a unique institute and has no relations with the founders of any other Birla named institute, they are all just from the same family but they run their businesses independently. 139.5.51.215 (talk) 17:56, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * BITS Pilani was effectively founded by GD Birla, and continues to be headed by his descendants (Kumar Mangalam Birla currently). They run several other Birla institutions. However some of the Birla institutions are run by other branches of the Birla family. Malaiya (talk) 21:23, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Notably the M.P Birla Group is no longer run by the members of the Birla family, having been willed by Priyamvada Birla to Harsh Lodha.Malaiya (talk) 21:26, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

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Restructuring
I have significantly restructured the article. Pratik.mallya (talk)
 * 1) Information on other campuses is now available from their wiki entries. I think think this will encourage more contribution to those articles.
 * 2) Layout has been made more aesthetic
 * 3) Please add more sections. When i get time, i will add section on practice school, the college's history etc, but either i write a great article or dont write one at all, so if anybody wants to contribute, PLEASE DO SO!

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Consider renaming article
A rename should be considered from the article from the present name to Birla Institute of Technology and Science, Pilani - Pilani Campus, inline with the name of the other campuses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhijeetviswa (talk • contribs) 15:27, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Recent edits on admission
To start, thanks for at least mentioning a source for the edits, that's helpful. Edits on Wikipedia need reliable sources so readers can review them to verify that what's in our articles isn't just made up by editors, but based on good sources. The source mentioned, I'm not 100% sure about - I think it's a student paper and I need to double-check on that. The most recent edits are still problematic though. First, it's removing information sourced to a really good source. That probably should stay. Second, it appears to be a complete copy-paste from the source, and that's not good. You need to completely rewrite and summarize the material from the source. As written, it's in Wikipedia's voice, and that's another problem. Some of what's there is attributed in the source to a random student, that probably needs to be cut out. I'm going to revert again, please discuss here rather than make edits on the main article.  Ravensfire  (talk) 20:46, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering if this can be added as a sentence after what's already in the article about pre 2005 admissions. The gist of what's in the sandpaper source is that language makes a difference.  Ravensfire  (talk) 20:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

BITS-Pilani is not private- correct it. See UGC list of private universities and deemed universities.
BITS Pilani is a not a private university. It is a deemed university and it gets government plan grant. Though, it is not funded by MHRD like IITs.

https://www.ugc.ac.in/deemeduniversity.aspx

https://www.ugc.ac.in/privatuniversity.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.75.45.1 (talk) 10:54, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

New Rankings
I believe, newer employability rankings, NIRF rankings, THE rankings need to be updated. Kirtimaansyal (talk) 14:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)