Talk:BMW 3 Series (E30)/Archive 1

Z1
I suspect that the E30 production totals don't include the Z1--it may eventually be necessary to verify this and note it on the page. For now, it's probably fine. --Milkmandan 05:23, 2005 Jan 4 (UTC)

Owner of this BMW site
The owner of this site worked at BMW during the time of the e30's introduction and was instrumental in the late e30's "face lift" though the site is commercial and does not qualify (IMO) to be linked from the article a lot of off the record BMW E30 info can be obtained from the sites owner BMW Evolution Zen

Bumpers
My E30 (1985 model) does not have huge bumpers like the ones in the picture. Are those no US only and should the article not say so in that case. --Dahlis 23:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Correct, U.S. cars from 1984 through 1988 had annodized aluminum bumpers which protruded for endless inches from the body, thus the "diving board" moniker. They looked like an afterthought (they probably were). At the same time the Euro cars got some nice, trim chrome bumpers that looked like they were supposed to be part of the car.


 * Those "diving board" bumpers were fitted in the US only, to comply with laws that require all cars to be able to survive a 5mph collision without any damage (thats why cars stopped using chrome bumpers). There is stuff about the bumpers in N. America being longer but nothing saying why. Maybe if we find out the exact details about the legislation on bumpers we can stick a little in about. Replace that bit about modifying the bumpers as well, I don't think Wikipedia is the place to talk about amateur car mods.--Santahul 18:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Fanboys have been at this page
As I've said above, Wikipedia doesn't seem the place to be on about amateur car mods like shortening the bumper and the like. I think we could do with an alternative picture for the top right, that one has custom wheels, we should really have a bog standard one. Pictures could generally do with shifting around a bit. Preferably, replace the top right picture with a standard 4 door car with European bumpers since most of them had these, remove the picture of the 318i coach because its not at a very good angle and we only really need one picture of a standard car, shift the other two up and put a picture of an M3 at the bottom. Just my suggestion, I have got any pictures to use I'm afraid. edit: Just noticed as well that the power statistics are in kW. Probably should be replaced with bhp since thats what most of the english speaking world uses, kW is more of a euro thing.--Santahul 18:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Way too many facts that are way off here very "US-biased"

4 wd also in touring cabrio proudced until 1993 touring until 1994 Alpina is German —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Drivetrains
I've added information about drivetrains and gear ratios from my e30's user's manual. However, since I have a 1984 model, I am not sure if these transmissions were used throughout the entire production run, or whether they were changed through times - like the engines. If anyone knows about the transmissions after 1984, they should add the info to make the article more complete. For example - the 316i and 325i didn't exist at the time, so naturally there was no info about them in my user's manual!

203.122.107.106 (talk) 21:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

323es
My dad owns an E30 BMW 323es. Can we get any information on this trim? AmericanLeMans (talk) 22:47, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Top Gear appearance 7/24/2011
Top Gear USA's Tanner Foust drives BMW 325 e in place of a truck. The 2-door coupe looks great. He reportedly used $2000 to purchase it the morning of the drive. The professional driver claims that the car gets 28 mpg on the Highway.

Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DieselBeetle (talk • contribs) 16:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Engines
I suggest this section will be easier to read if we split it into "4 cylinder" and "6 cylinder" subheadings. 1292simon (talk) 22:54, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

325iX inclusion
The layout currently shows all-wheel-drive, perhaps this should be removed since the AWD was a limited edition produced in very small numbers. Unlike the M3, it is not historically significant. 1292simon (talk) 03:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Disagree - the 325iX was historically significant, as it's one of the first 4x4 vehicles produced by BMW. And it wasn't strictly "limited edition", in the traditional sense, it was more of a low production run.  Also, regardless of whether it was limited edition or not, it was still a production model, and so deserves a place in the layout.  # a_man_alone (talk)
 * Yep its not produced  "very small numbers" its quite common car. -- >Typ932 T&middot;C 13:42, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries, I've put in a reference to AWD. Note that a similar situation at Mercedes (4matic option on W203) is not included in the layout. Just to clarify, the 325iX is less than 1.3% total E30 production, surely that's "very small numbers". My thoughts about historical significance is due to it being cancelled from the E36, then North America only when it appeared in the E46. Basically they slapped some front driveshafts into the E30 to get sales in snowy markets (the front suspension geometry is badly compromised as a result) and didn't even have a rally program to support it. BMW history books rarely talk about all-wheel-drive 3 series.1292simon (talk) 23:47, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Facebook link?
There is a link to an inofficial facebook page next to successor: E36. It seems like it doesn't belong there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.150.142.194 (talk) 20:16, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Production History
The automobile-catalogue.com link actually refers to 1987 as "series 2" (not "facelift") so I have changed this. ("facelift" is actually a generic term which can be applied to any of the updates)

There is conflicting info about whether the 323i was replaced by the 325i in 1985 or 1987. If anyone can solve this with referenced info, that would be very useful. 1292simon (talk) 11:43, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * A few "E30 specs" websites talk about the 1985 325i, but I've never even come across a photo of a Series 1 325i. Can someone confirm whether it exists? Also, there is some evidence suggesting the 323i was built up until 09/1986:      Regards, 1292simon (talk) 08:28, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

325es
My dad owns an E30 325es. AmericanLeMans (talk) 03:55, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

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Coupe terminology
I propose that the 2-door sedan models be referred to as simply "coupe" in the article. The main reason is this is how this E30 body style is most commonly referred to: coupe = 392k results, 2 door = 17k results. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 23:25, 5 January 2017 (UTC)