Talk:BMW R32

Image captions
I think it is inappropriate to identify the owners of the motorcycles used in the images unless they are notable people. Motorrad-67 as you know this better than I do maybe you would re-caption the images used with a neutral caption. ww2censor 13:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. Craig Vechorik Motorrad-67 14:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Removal of self published sources as citations
This article had two references which were pointing to Jeff Dean's personal BMW pages. WP:SPS states "Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, forum postings, and similar sources are largely not acceptable" I certainly don't recognise Jeff Dean as an established expert on BMW motorcycles so for that reason I removed the references. --TimTay (talk) 08:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I certainly don't recognise(sic) Jeff Dean as an established expert on BMW motorcycles so for that reason I removed the references. 


 * You don't? And just who are you to be the arrogant arbiter of expetise in this field? What is your curriculum vitae?


 * You are wrong because he is an expert recognized throughout the BMW motorcycle community in the United States. Just study his numerous BMW motorcycle web pages to see.  Read his bio.  If you are more of an expert on BMW motorcycles than Mr. Dean then your editing is warranted.  Otherwise you are messing in an area you are incompetent to edit. However, I have made it my policy not to re-edit self-important Wikipedians, such as you, because it becomes an anal and endless loop, so I won't bother with your incompetent edits.  Motorrad-67 (talk) 17:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, what prompted that tirade? The guidance WP:SPS is quite clear about personal websites and Jeff's pages, while interesting, are just that. --TimTay (talk) 17:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It was prompted by your intrusive edit and especially your inferred claim to possess sufficient knowledge to judge his competence (I certainly don't recognise(sic) Jeff Dean as an established expert on BMW motorcycles ...). I am just sick of self-important editors that claim wisdom without providing evidence of it. I wait to see your proof as to why you are competent to judge Mr. Dean's expertise in this area. Why should we accept you as the arbiter of his expertise and expertise in the history of BMW motorcycles? Obviously, being British apparently, you are completely unaware of Mr. Dean's stature on this side of the pond. If you are not competent to judge him I suggest you revert your own edits. Motorrad-67 (talk) 17:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You are in danger of a serious conflict of interest Jeff by promoting your own links. Let's just leave it at that for now shall we? --TimTay (talk) 17:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what you are talking about. I cannot control whatever you might think about who I am. I await evidence of your expertise to make the judgments that you have made. Motorrad-67 (talk) 17:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you have a right to privacy of identity, it was wrong of me to imply that you are Jeff. Wikipedia is has a clear policy on both original research and self-published sources. My assertion was that Jeff Dean's pages are personal web pages. Jeff is not a published author so the only evidence of his expertise that I can see are his own self-published web pages. I never claimed to know more about BMW bikes than Jeff, that wasn't the point I was trying to make. --TimTay (talk) 17:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)