Talk:B Division (New York City Subway)

Service names
Current or recent names are bolded. --NE2 09:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * A Eighth Avenue Express; Washington Heights-Eighth Avenue Express; Washington Heights Express, Inwood to Ozone Park, Far Rockaway, Rockaway Park, or Euclid
 * B (&lt;B>) Sixth Avenue Express; Central Park West Local/Sixth Avenue Express; Sixth Avenue-West End Express; Broadway Express (during bridge closures); Sixth Avenue-West End Line, Bedford Park, 145th, or Washington Heights to Brighton Beach, Herald Square, or Coney Island (West End)
 * C (AA; K) Eighth Avenue Local; Washington Heights Local, Washington Heights to Euclid or WTC
 * D Sixth Avenue Express; Grand Concourse/Central Park West Express; Sixth Avenue-Brighton Express; Sixth Avenue-Houston Express; Bronx Concourse Express, Norwood to Coney Island (West End), Herald Square, Coney Island (Brighton), Brighton Beach, Coney Island (Culver), or Church Avenue
 * E Eighth Avenue Local; Eighth Avenue Local-Queens Express; Eighth Avenue Express; Queens-Manhattan Express, Jamaica Center or Jamaica to WTC, Euclid, Rockaway Park, or Far Rockaway
 * F Sixth Avenue Local; Sixth Avenue Local-Queens Express/Local; Sixth Avenue-Culver Express; Sixth Avenue Express; Queens-Manhattan Express; Sixth Avenue-Queens-Brooklyn Line, Jamaica or Parsons to Coney Island (Culver), Broadway-Lafayette, 34th, Lower East Side, or WTC
 * G (GG) Brooklyn-Queens Crosstown Local; Brooklyn-Queens Crosstown; Crosstown Local; Queens-Brooklyn Local; Brooklyn-Queens Local, Long Island City or Forest Hills to Smith/9th
 * J (15) Nassau Street Express; Nassau Street Local; Jamaica Express; Jamaica Line, Jamaica Center to Broad or Chambers
 * L (LL; 16) 14th Street-Canarsie Local; 14th Street Local; 14th Street-Canarsie Line, 8th to Canarsie
 * M (10) Nassau Street Local; Myrtle Avenue Local; Myrtle Express; Myrtle-Chambers Line; Myrtle Avenue-Broad Street Line; Myrtle Avenue Express, Middle Village to Bay Parkway, Chambers, or Coney Island (Brighton)
 * M Shuttle, Middle Village to Myrtle
 * N (4) Broadway Express; Astoria/Broadway/Sea Beach Local; Sea Beach Express via Bridge; Sea Beach Express; Broadway Local, Astoria, Forest Hills, Midtown, or Times Square to Coney Island (Sea Beach)
 * Q (QB) Broadway Express; Broadway Express/Brighton Local; Broadway-Brighton Local; Broadway Express-Brighton Local, Midtown to Coney Island (Brighton) or Brighton Beach
 *  (1) Broadway Express/Brighton Express; Brighton Express via Bridge; Brighton Express; Brighton Beach Express, Midtown, Astoria, or Times Square to Brighton Beach
 * R (RR; 2) Broadway Local; Queens Boulevard/Broadway/Fourth Avenue Local; Broadway-Fourth Avenue Local; Fourth Avenue Local via Tunnel; Fourth Avenue Local, Forest Hills, 36th, Astoria, Midtown, or Queens Plaza to Bay Ridge
 * V Sixth Avenue Local; Queens Boulevard/Sixth Avenue Local, Forest Hills to Lower East Side
 * W Broadway Local; Astoria/Broadway/West End Express, Astoria to Whitehall or Coney Island
 * Z Nassau Street Express, Jamaica Center to Broad
 * Franklin Avenue Shuttle (SS; 7) Franklin Avenue Shuttle; Franklin Shuttle; Brighton Local, Franklin to Prospect Park or Coney Island (Brighton)
 * Rockaway Park Shuttle (CC; H) Rockaway Park Shuttle; Rockaway Shuttle, Broad Channel to Rockaway Park
 * S Grand Street Shuttle; Sixth Avenue Shuttle, Grand to W 4th or 57th
 * A (HH) Rockaway Shuttle; Rockaway Local, Euclid Avenue to Rockaway Park or Far Rockaway
 * B Sixth Avenue Local, 57th to Coney Island (West End)
 * B Shuttle, 57th to 50th
 * B Shuttle, 36th to Coney Island (West End)
 * BB Sixth Avenue Local; Washington Heights Local, Washington Heights to 34th
 *  Eighth Avenue Local; Bronx Concourse Local, Bedford Park to Euclid, Rockaway Park, or WTC
 * EE Queens-Broadway Local; Broadway Local, Forest Hills to Whitehall
 * JJ (15) Jamaica Local, Canal or Broad to Jamaica Center
 * K Sixth Avenue Local; Sixth Avenue-Broadway Brooklyn Local, 57th to ENY
 * KK (14) Broadway Brooklyn Local; Broadway Short Line; Sixth Avenue-Broadway Brooklyn Line, Canal to Crescent, Canarsie, or Atlantic
 * MJ (11) Myrtle Local; Myrtle Avenue Line, Bridge to Middle Village
 * N Broadway Local, Forest Hills to Whitehall
 * N Shuttle, 36th to Coney Island (Sea Beach)
 * QB (1) Brighton Local via Bridge; Brighton Local, Astoria to Coney Island (Brighton)
 * QJ Brighton-Jamaica Line; Jamaica-Brighton Line, Jamaica Center to Brighton Beach
 * QT (1) Brighton Local via Tunnel; Brighton Local; Brighton Beach Local, Astoria, Forest Hills, Midtown, or Queens Plaza to Coney Island (Brighton)
 * RJ Fourth Avenue-Jamaica Line, Bay Ridge to Jamaica Center
 * RR Nassau Street Local, Chambers to Bay Ridge
 * T (3) West End Express via Bridge; West End Express, Astoria Midtown, or Times Square to Coney Island (West End)
 * TT (3) West End Local via Tunnel; West End Local; West End Short Line, Chambers to Bay Parkway, Coney Island (West End), or 62nd
 * TT (3) West End Shuttle; West End Local, 36th to Coney Island (West End)
 * SS (5) Culver Shuttle, Ditmas to 9th
 * 8 Astoria Line, Astoria to Queens Plaza
 * 9 Flushing Line, Flushing to Queens Plaza
 * 12 Lexington Avenue Line, Bridge to ENY or 111th
 * 12 Fulton-Lexington Avenue Line, Bridge to Grant
 * 13 14th Street-Fulton Street Line, 8th to Ozone Park
 * 13 Fulton Street Line, Rockaway to Ozone Park

Changes in services

 * Current
 * A
 * BB → B → moved from Washington Heights to Bedford Park (swapped with C) → moved from West End to Brighton (swapped with D)
 *  → C → moved from Bedford Park to Washington Heights (swapped with B)
 * D → moved from Brighton to West End (swapped with B)
 * E
 * F
 * GG → G
 * HH → merged into and split from A → CC → H → Rockaway Park Shuttle
 * split from F → V
 * split from N → W


 * 1 → Q, QB, QT → QB (also merged into D and QJ) → Q
 * 2 → RR → RJ, RR → RR → R
 * 4 → N
 * 7 → SS → Franklin Avenue Shuttle
 * 10 → M
 * 15 → J, JJ → QJ → J → J, Z
 * 16 → LL → L


 * Former
 * AA → K → merged into C
 * HH → abandoned (Court)
 * NX → discontinued
 * split from QT, RR → EE → merged into N


 * 3 → T, TT → merged into B
 * 5 → SS → abandoned (Culver)
 * 6 → abandoned (Fifth)
 * 8 → merged into 1, 2
 * 9 → abandoned (Flushing)
 * 11 → MJ → abandoned
 * 12 → abandoned (Lexington)
 * 13 → abandoned (Fulton)
 * 14 → JJ → KK → K → discontinued

Width(s)
According to the infoboxes that I found in the articles listed in this template, the cars are 10 ft wide. What gives? Peter Horn User talk 19:00, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline (talk) 15:11, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

– I was adding the requests page by page, but later I noticed this template. There is no reason to disambiguate these pages, per our guideline "(New York City Subway [car])" is unneeded, as the place to be moved redirect there. Although in some cases this request is unneeded i wanted to search for consensus if necessary. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  03:09, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * B Division (New York City Subway) → B Division
 * Deck Roof (New York City Subway car) → Deck Roof
 * Hi-V (New York City Subway car) → Hi-V
 * Flivver Lo-V (New York City Subway Car) → Flivver Lo-V
 * Lo-V (New York City Subway car) → Lo-V
 * BU cars (New York City Subway car) → BU cars
 * Q-type Queens car (New York City Subway car) → Q-type Queens car
 * AB Standard (New York City Subway car) → AB Standard
 * Bluebird Compartment Car (New York City Subway car) → Bluebird Compartment Car
 * D-type Triplex (New York City Subway car) → D-type Triplex
 * MS Multi-section car (New York City Subway car) → MS Multi-section car


 * Support these and the other similar moves listed at WP:RM per nom except R110A (New York City Subway car) → R110. (Or did you intend to type R110A?) There is ambiguity in this case since there is already an article at R110 road (Ireland).  Other R-numbered cars share names with Irish R roads but none of the others of these roads have articles.  —  AjaxSmack   06:02, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It was a typo, it is meant to be moved to 110A. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.
 * Thanks. I'll jump on the oppose the B Division bandwagon per the comments below.  —  AjaxSmack   00:27, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose "B Division", there are multiple uses (especially in sports, and sometimes in military naming), and I am surprised the disambiguation page was never completed. "Hi-V" and "Lo-V" could probably use disambiguation as well, but those might go at "(disambiguation)". I will note that the meaning of Lo-V and Hi-V are "low voltage" and "high voltage", and these terms are used for things other than subway cars in the same way out in the world, (and also for velocity) ; "AB Standard" is also used in standards so would also need a disambiguation page (probably at "(disambiguation)") -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 06:25, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all the "oppose" includes all of the pages, which is not the case in your comment, for example Bluebird Compartment Car or Q-type Queens car, both have no other uses. Now, although Hi-V/Lo-V may also refer ti high/low voltage, a hatnote will serve for that purpose, per WP:TWODABS. The suggestion to include the "disambiguation" is for? Please give articles that indicate why the pages "B Division (disambiguation)" or "AB Standard (disambiguation)" should be created, because I searched for articles that could be ambiguous, for example ME-1 (New York City Subway car) and ME-1, and I found none or one or two that can be linked by hatnotes. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  19:11, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No, the oppose only applies to the cases I outlined. That is why all !votes require rationales, to explain what cases the initial highlight applies to. I never said I opposed all, since the explaination clearly states what the opposition is to. I don't see how you could have misinterpreted it, since it's how many people write their opinions in such surveys. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 07:00, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Martyr's Memorial B-Division League which calls the division "B-Division", though the article remains at a fully disambiguated name. Moldovan "B" Division which is also disambiguated with the country demonym, as is Tuvalu B-Division, amongst others. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 07:03, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Any standard established by an Assembly Bill (such as found in state assemblies) can be so referred to as an assembly bill standard, assembly law standard, AB standard. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 07:13, 5 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose B Division. Far too generic not to be disambiguated. For instance, almost every British police force had or has a B Division. No, we don't have articles on them yet (and may never have), but that doesn't take away from the fact that this is a highly generic name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:08, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose All especially "B Division" (per Necrothesp and the anonymous IP), Deck Roof (makes me think of part of a house or a car), "AB Standard" (a vague quality rating), and "Bluebird Compartment Car" (looks too much like the name of a school bus manufacturer). -User:DanTD (talk) 13:38, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
 * And Flivver Lo-V, Q-type Queens car, D-type Triplex and MS Multi-section car? You said "[I] oppose all", give a reason to all of them. Also, if Bluebird Compartment Car sounds similar to Blue Bird Corporation, first of all, they are not the same, one is a car and the other is a corporation, similar? yes, the same? no; also, that's not our responsability, we have a template to differentiate them, nothing strange or outta this world. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  05:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The same applies to Deck Roof and Roof deck. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  05:03, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me of another; "MS Multi-section car" could refer to any type of railroad car. -User:DanTD (talk) 18:45, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * And thank you by continue giving no reasons and just delaying a community consensus. Will you continue evading my questions and acting as if you were a newbie or you are going to give a real reason? Read WP:TITLE and WP:DABS or otherwise, stop editing here. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  21:45, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Weak support oppose all. We shouldn't unnecessarily disambiguate titles but I'm not convinced that removing the text in parentheses adheres to WP:CRITERIA which states: A good Wikipedia article title has the five following characteristics.... Recognizability – Titles are names or descriptions of the topic that are recognizable to someone familiar with (though not necessarily expert in) the topic. Would a layman reader understand these terms without having an expert knowledge of the NYC subway system? Zarcadia (talk) 23:20, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think these terms are recognizable, therefore change to oppose. Zarcadia (talk) 21:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose all. And opppose related multiple move request here.  Recognizability is my major concern, how it shows up in a search.  (The latter in particular just seem like random collections of letters and numbers, of which I am sure there are plenty of replications in commercial models of different products, roads, etc.)  These are highly technical terms, and a disambiguator is very useful.  A person who doesn't get an exact name right for the cars (or something else similar sounding), can nonetheless hone in on (or avoid) the article when it shows up in a search list with the "New York City subway car" disambiguator in brackets.  Picking and choosing between which titles should or shouldn't have a DAB isn't particularly neat.  It would be nice to have a standard title template for New York City subway cars. If people find that too long, I might go for simply "(subway car)" as sufficient. Walrasiad (talk) 16:40, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

OK we need a break here, I mean, check the opposes they are lame in my opinion. First of all, I requested this in November 4, to date nobody has even take for consideration to create a disambiguation page for B Division, and guess what it still redirected here. Eleven days and nobody has given a real shit about that. And the opposes were because "it may mean multiple things", well, are you going to work on that? The same applies to "Low-V".

Now we have "Deck Roof", "Hi-V", "MS Multi-section car" and "BU cars", and people crying the same: "MS Multi-section car" may refer to "any kind of car". Do we have an article about the French/Mexican/LA, etc. MS Multi-section car, or any other fucking "MS Multi-section car" here? No, if that concept is so ambiguous why it doesn't have a page for other MS Multi-section cars? All those four pages still in red.

We have Bluebird Compartment Car that can be confused (I don't know how) with a company, and now the most stupidiest thing I've heard here "I oppose Q-type Queens car" (D-type Triplex and Flivver Lo-V are included here). The reason? Nobody has given one, especially because I doubt that "Q-type Queens car" may refer to the cars that Elizabeth II and Margrethe II use to travel, rather than a borough. People here apparently cannot understand in simple terms WP:PRECISION and WP:DAB. "The Day After Tomorrow" is not a concept that is about a film, is about a day that will happens in two days; "Price Tag" is not a concept that is about a song, is about a label; "Rumours" and "The Dark Side of the Moon" are not concepts that are about albums, they mean, respectively, "a piece of purportedly true information that circulates without substantiating evidence" and "the far side of the Moon that is permanently turned away from the Earth", but guess how we work in Wikipedia:


 * The Day After Tomorrow, film
 * "Price Tag", song
 * Rumours, album
 * The Dark Side of the Moon, album

As simple as this. We don't work to make other people life easier, we work here for convenience, we have a MOS, and you are ignoring it. Other people have understand this, why you don't? Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  02:13, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.