Talk:Baa Baa Black Sheep (TV series)

Removal of copy-edit tag
Have removed the copy-edit tag because spelling and grammar is fine. There is not much prose on the page but that needs to be developed by someone with knowledge on the topic. JenLouise 05:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Article Name
Shouldn't this article be Black Sheep Squadron? That's what I've always seen the show as. Emperor001 (talk) 03:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Black Sheep Squadron was the name of the show in syndication. The original name was Baa Baa Black Sheep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.16.220.21 (talk) 13:38, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

This article misses a huge fact about the series: the first season of Baa Baa Black Sheep was on ABC, then was moved to NBC for the second season. I distinctly remember that. To "celebrate" the show's move to NBC, the producers of the series introduced "Pappy's Lambs", women from other NBC shows that played nurses. In the mentioned History Channel documentary about the real Black Sheep, several of the real pilots confirmed that there were rarely ever any nurses on the island, except for when an aircraft carrier made a rare appearance. Yes, the series was supposed to be based on Boyington's own book of the same name, Baa Baa Black Sheep. However, I noticed that it was AFTER the show ended and went into syndication that the name was changed to Black Sheep Squadron. The real pilots agreed with Boyington about how the show was loosely based on them. Something people should remember about adaptations, especially non-fiction books to make a movie/TV show: artistic license. Generally, the real-life stories are boring, therefore requiring artistic license to make the show more entertaining. That's why, most of the time, fans of the book on which the show is based say that the book or books are better than the movie/TV adaptation. An example of that from the same time period: Little House on the Prairie. Laura Ingalls Wilder's diary entries were pedestrian and a lot of artistic license was used to make the series entertaining. 2601:1C0:5000:5D00:3C56:DA04:D584:F827 (talk) 17:47, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move
I propose that this article be renamed Black Sheep Squadron (TV series) because every time I see the show, it is titled Black Sheep Squadron, not Baa Baa Black Sheep. Emperor001 (talk) 02:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose - If you read the text, it clearly states that Baa Baa Black Sheep was the original title, and that Black Sheep Squadron was only used for syndication. I don't see any need to use the syndicated title here. Note to the admin who moved the page: Please allow time for discussions to run their course, per guidelines. This is obviously not a uncontested move now, so I have reverted it for the time being. Thanks. - BillCJ (talk) 06:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose too. Advice of BillCJ is fine. --Tangopaso (talk) 08:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - I have never seen it broadcast as Baa Baa Black Sheep. Even though that was the original title, it was changed.  The same thing happened in Star Wars.  The first movie was renamed Star Wars Episode IV:  A New Hope, and that's what the article is at, the new title, not the original.  Emperor001 (talk) 17:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This is not the first TV show to be syndicated under a different title than it was released as. Generally, WP does not treat syndicated titles as "name changes". You'll note under the DVD section that the first season was released under the title Baa Baa Black Sheep. Apparantly they've changed it back! - BillCJ (talk) 17:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * According to [ http://www.amazon.com/Baa-Black-Sheep-1/dp/B0007YMWGY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1241920212&sr=8-1 this], the show was canceled and then revived with the name Black Sheep Squadron. This coincides with my memory.  In syndication it is known as Black Sheep Squadron.  I don't have good references for this though.  Bubba73 (talk), 01:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * He is quite right, and this would be verified by any edition of Tim Brooks & Earle Marsh's The Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and Cable TV Shows, 1946-Present, Ballantine Books, a new edition every four or five years. Unfortunately, I don't have a copy anymore, but surely somebody here does. --Tbrittreid (talk) 22:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

OPPOSED: When I posted the above comment, I failed to realize that this was for voting in support of or opposed to "moving" the article to Black Sheep Squadron. So now I've formally voted. Let me elucidate on the situation: The story is that the series was cancelled after one season, and Conrad starred in a TV-movie/series pilot, although his IMDb page doesn't list one during that period. Fred Silverman was then put in charge of NBC, and convinced Conrad to drop the new project and return to Black Sheep, which he did, airing not beginning until December, rather than September, of the new season due to the cancellation. Not only the title but the format was changed, with a group of nurses, Conrad's daughter Nancy as one of them, given a cutesy name ("Pappy's Lambs" or something), was introduced. Some of the actors had new committments which, unlike Conrad, they could not get out of, so Boyington had some differents pilots, too. BTW, it has always been my understanding that "Flying Misfits" is nothing but the after-the-network-run movie title for the two-hour pilot/special series opener, and that it's never been seen as a two part episode. Certainly, the movie has been seen since the turn of the century on The History Channel, accompanied by a new, in-studio discussion of the differences between it and Boyington's true history. --Tbrittreid (talk) 23:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Userbox Baa Baa Black Sheep
If you like this TV series, you can put this Userbox on your userpage like this: --Tangopaso (talk) 07:49, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Eleanor Roosevelt
Eleanor Roosevelt is listed as a guest star in S02E12. I am not familiar with the episode. But, since ER died in 1962, this is highly improbable. Perhaps it was stock footage or something else. But, this needs to be explained or deleted, in my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.16.220.21 (talk) 13:43, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Pink submarine
In episode 1.19 "Poor little lambs" there is a scene of a pink submarine submerging. Is it possible that this scene is taken from the movie "Operation Petticoat"? 89.204.130.193 (talk) 17:16, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Rank abbreviations
What are people's thoughts about the usage of the abbreviations for the ranks of the listed characters? Example: the article uses "MAJ" for Boyington and "1LT" for Bragg instead of "Major" and "First Lieutenant". Most of these are not explained in the article and are not linked. Are these considered clear enough to be understood by the general audience (ie: people with no military experience)?--Khajidha (talk) 12:08, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm a historian and of WWII and I was a fan of this show, so I'm very familiar with the rank abbreviations you mention could possibly be confusing to most people. My thought is, I wouldn't worry to much about it. This was not a very memorable show and I doubt many people, outside of fans of the show and who themselves probably have some knowledge of the US military and history (though this show never really offered any of that), will even find their way to this page in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.245.177.6 (talk) 18:21, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

"Black Sheep Squadron" was the name during the second season, not just syndication
This article incorrectly indicates that "Black Sheep Squadron" was the name given to the series in syndication. In fact, the name change occurred for the second season of the show, not just syndication. Refer to this Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977%E2%80%9378_United_States_network_television_schedule If there is no objection, I will make the change to the phrase in parentheses in the first sentence. --Westwind273 (talk) 05:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia cannot source itself. You need to cite a reliable published source. BilCat (talk) 05:34, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The sources are listed at the end of the article under "Additional sources": Watching TV, Total Television, Complete Directory to Prime Time. Also, what is the source for saying the name "Black Sheet Squadron" was used only in syndication? At a minimum, this statement should be deleted from the article, since there is no source. Finally, this was one of my favorite shows in the 70's, and I clearly remember the name change for the second season. Westwind273 (talk) 18:13, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Lard
Lard was the actual name of the officer in the book as well in the series 2600:8803:8403:A300:C5D9:FF:F69B:93AF (talk) 02:57, 30 March 2023 (UTC)