Talk:Babar Ahmed (terrorist suspect)

This needs tidying up and better citation than "www.freebabarahmed.com". For example, the allegation that he was tortured while in the custody of the British police. 222.152.12.200 22:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed, please feel free to help! Robert C Prenic 22:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've added the relevant cleanup tags, and will try and tidy up the article over the next few days. Scholarcs 23:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

List of edits

 * Changed "British Citizen and Muslim" to "British Muslim".


 * Removed "'alleged'". He is not 'alleged' to be a suspect - he is a suspect.


 * Removed "without trial or charge", as he was charged with terror crimes two months later by a US court.


 * I have stated that British authorities has not charged him or given him trial althogh still hold him in custody. It came later that the US wanted him so they are keeping him arrested in US charges not British. It needs to remain "without trial or charge" from the British police and only LATER did the US charge him. Robert C Prenic 07:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Removed "– a position many see as a violation of his human rights" as it is POV and unreferenced.


 * Human Rights groups hold rallies and everything for him, check their websites in the UK and also BBC News for sources. I will add later. Robert C Prenic 07:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If we want to include such information, it should include who sees it as a violation of his human rights - ie "his supporters and *relevant Human Rights group (reference)* see this as a violation of his human rights". "Many" is too ambiguous and does not tell the reader who holds this opinion. Scholarcs 11:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Removed "He was severely beaten and tortured." as there is no evidence of this apart from an allegation on his supporters' websites - extremely biased and unreliable sources. The Independent Police Complaints Commission has a report on his complaints, I will include details later in the article.

More to come... Scholarcs 00:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have revamped this part including the alleged photographic evidence, BBC reportings on this assault, the IPCC reference and the BBC article where it was rejected. I hope this covers it. Robert C Prenic 07:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've cleared up some spelling and grammar here, and also rewritten it so it doesn't include "photographic evidence" - as this term implies it provides definitive proof of the alleged torture. Scholarcs 11:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Removed "The family have always paid their taxes and served the community as law-abiding British citizens." This is completely irrelevant and reads like propaganda.
 * Removed "However, during his arrest is was severely beaten and tortured." Again, see above.


 * Put this alleged incident into its own area. See above Robert C Prenic 07:41, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Will be adding detail surrounding his website azzam.com, alleged links to Mazan Mokhtar and Shamil Basayev, alleged possession of classified routes of US naval battle group, and alleged attempts to buy sulpher phospate. Scholarcs 05:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Removed "He was popular at school; well liked by teachers and fellow pupils. Like any other British boy, he thoroughly enjoyed all sports, especially football and cricket. His school reports would always highlight that he was helpful, well-behaved and popular." If we're going to include something like this, it needs to have a better source than "freebabarahmed.com". It was simply copied from this site.
 * Removed "August 19th 2007 was the 3rd anniversary of Babar’s incarceration without trial or charge." First, if someone wants to find out how long he had been in custody on that a certain date, they can work it out. Second, he has been charged, so this is inaccurate.
 * Added detail surrounding allegations of torture and resulting IPCC report and reference to report.

Also - is there a reason this article is listed under "United Kingdom religious figure" stub and the "Muslim preachers" catagory? I know he is a Muslim - but I cannot find anything, even on his own website, which indicates he was a preacher or religious figure. Scholarcs 11:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)