Talk:Babyshambles

Music

 * I changed the explanation of their style of music in the summary from just 'indie rock' to 'punk and reggae influenced britrock', just saying 'indie rock' seems meaningless and uninformative, -and they're not even on an independent record label any more. Maybe the influences could be expanded further, maybe cite influences such as 'the clash', the article mentions that Mick Jones produced their album, but perhaps more should be said --7PusaAJ 21:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I read this article and I have virtually no idea what kind of music this band plays. It's great that the front man makes a fool of himself constantly, but this is an article about a band, not an anti-heroin commercial. Could someone please write a few sentences about the music? Chachilongbow 19:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow. I reread the article and realised you were entirely right. There wasn't even the usual description of style in the first sentence. I'll add something when I come up with something passable to say about it.Trebor 21:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I added the clean-up template, this articles got a lot of good stuff, but its really inconsistent, repeats itself and has bad english, I suppose it's a reflection of the band but still we should clean it up. - 7PusaAJ 19:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

It's Babyshambles, not Baby Shambles. Early on Baby Shambles was occationally used, but it has definitely stabilized on Babyshambles as one word. - 00:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Not according to the official site http://www.babyshambles.net/ Super Ted 12:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * How odd. I'm sure his tattoo is one word. Can anyone check? Damiancorrigan 12:37, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * His tattoo is two words. http://www.andrewkendall.com/pages/misc/babyshambles.php --86.141.191.239 14:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Babyshambles is used in The Libertines biography, and I'm fairly sure is the standard form for it. Trebor 19:11, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * But Superted is right that website has it as two words. However, the cover to Down In Albion is one word. So can someone correct the redirect? Damiancorrigan 19:24, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Musicbrainz has it listed as one word. Shouldn't we put something like "also known as Babyshambles" in the intro. edit nevermind, i see something has been done along those lines --Andland 21:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The article is inconsistent, swapping between one and two words. Also, Google finds 20 times more instances of Babyshambles than Baby Shambles, and the NME and The Guardian call them Babyshambles, so it should be 'also known as Baby Shambles' to imply that two words is less common. And the title should redirect to Babyshambles, not the other way round. Unless someone can come up with an 'official' spelling (and doesnt the album cover count? - it would have been cleared by the band, unlike the website), we must go with the majority. Damiancorrigan 00:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

how could it be posible. No body in argentina knows about pete doherty, babyshambles or the libertines, because there isn´t any company that bring them music here, well, thats a pity, they could reaaly make a big sensation here


 * Start a label and sign them for Argentina. :D Nightfreak 23:56, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm from Argentina too, and yes it's such a pity because the libs are(were) the best... luckily have the internet ;)

Tidied up some of the language and made the article more consistent (eg now uses Doherty's surname throughout instead of alternating between Christian name and surname). 17/6/05

killamangiro
If Killamangiro was released as a single then how can Fuck Forever be the first single from Down In Albion when Killamangiro is track 7 on the album?


 * Well the Killamangiro single was recorded with some two other tracks and released like a year before DIA was recorded... besides they re-recorded the album version.

Origin of name
Any foundation for the Swift reference? I always thought it was a joke based on Babycham perrier. Damiancorrigan 10:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Apparently, Babyshambles was a name given to him (Pete) by the Queens of Noize. Carl had been dubbed Papashingles but it was rarely used (from Libertines: Bound Together)Trebor 16:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Interesting, worth inclusion in the article. Still doesn't explain what the name is a reference to though. I like the sparkling perrier theory. Damiancorrigan 16:11, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The Swift bit It wouldn't be the first literary reference by Doherty though, upon thinking about it, it works on both levels (perrier and A Modest Proposal). Pretty clever pun actually, deliberate or otherwise. Benson85 18:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Bootlegs article
I've started an article: List of Libertines and Babyshambles bootlegs. I think they believe together as the boundaries between the two are often blurred. I think the article is reasonably 'important' as its quite a big part of their legacy. The article needs a lot of work, please add to it. Damiancorrigan 23:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Move to Babyshambles

 * Move As noted above, the vast majority of references list it as one word. Damiancorrigan 20:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Move I fully agree. Babyshambles is the standard. OneVeryBadMan 19:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Babyshambles and Babyshambles Sessions
I'm going to create a separate page for the Babyshambles Sessions, simply because I think the vast majority of people associate Babyshambles with the band (and the page looks a mess at the moment). Hopefully then, this page can become more focused on the band. Trebor 13:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not add something like "this article is about the band - for the bootleg sessions, see List of Libertines and Babyshambles bootlegs. Doesn't need a whole new page.Damiancorrigan 18:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Damn it, too late.Damiancorrigan 18:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, ok. I'll merge the data in and redirect Trebor 18:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I think Mik / Purple dererves to be listed as a band member (guitar), why is he not already?--82.26.82.207 21:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Mik and Purle are not one and the same person. Purple is supposed to be doing rap vocals, Mik has replaced Patrick Walden. I wonder where you know Mik's full name from? -- dreadlady 19:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Purple - NME article
In the NME article this week, Dohertyconfirmed 'Purple' would definitly be a part of the band - 'the Purple man' he called the new member, apparantly he's vocals and rap, so he should go down as a band member as well as the others. Or does anyone disagree?--Therealchaffinch 16:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe wait another week or so and then add it. -- dreadlady 19:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Picture
I think we should find a more up to date picture, as that picture has Patrick Walden in it. DavidJJJ 12:01, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Discography
Why is it on a different page?!Surely it would be better suited on this page.I would but i don't know how to.

Have they sold 19 million records?

English vs. British
Can we please knock it off with the inevitable revert war? If it's really that important to people, please discuss it below ... richi 16:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not really an edit war; it's more like some random IPs trying to disrupt the article without even providing edit summaries, without even having read the guidelines that I linked them to. Anyway, music wikiproject guidelines and WP:FLAG are clearcut in their recommendations: use "United Kingdom", not "England". Kariteh 17:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no clear-cut opinion one way or the other, but I don't see where Template:Infobox musical artist says anything on the subject, and WP:FLAG is a draft, still under discussion. Note also that Manual of Style (United Kingdom-related articles) failed to reach consensus. My suspicion is that you won't be thanked for trying to lay down the law. What am I missing? ... richi 17:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Infobox guidelines are helpful, but on the matter of British/English/Scottish there are recurrent differences that need addressing, and there is no consensus. The main article space isn't so prescriptive, the band describe themself in the media as an English band, not a British one, and the article should reflect this. Operating 18:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * "The band describe themself as an English band" -> Source? Kariteh 22:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * When you changed the main article space from English to British the onus to provide cites fell on you. Not me or anybody else.Operating 22:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh? Not really. As the reasoning on WP:FLAG explains (and I'm speaking about the perfectly logical reasoning here, not the whole yet-to-be-approved guideline), a person's legal nationality is in theory the only verifiable information. A person's passport describes them as "British", not "English". And since there is nothing controversial or challengeable in the statement "Babyshambles is a British band", we don't have to cite a copy of Pete and co.'s passports. The statement "The band describe themself as an English band", on the other hand, is challengeable and needs a citation. Kariteh 07:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're using a draft discussion about flags to justify changing UK articles when you know there is no consensus. That isn't logical. All we've done is come back to the second comment by richi, which is where you should now reply (It's too circular for me to waste any more time on). Operating 11:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I’d say they’re very much an English band and references to England and Albion in their songs mean that it would be ultimately unhelpful for the article to read British rather than English.Petepetepetepete 11:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why references to Albion should make them English rather than British, given that "Albion is the oldest known name of the island of Great Britain."... gothick (talk) 06:57, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

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Community work
I removed some emotional talk about their supposed community work. (The ill children were called "beautiful".) I can not find a source for this acoustic concert at a children's hospital but left it as is for now. 85.197.47.13 (talk) 09:27, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

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