Talk:Back-to-Africa movement

Great work
It's really great to see this article coming to life! futurebird 12:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC) -There are not even 1,000,000,000,000 in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.219.149.38 (talk) 00:39, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment
It's good to see that some Africans want to return to Africa, but the preposterously low quality of the language in the article as it exists now should perhaps be discouraged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.226.31.86 (talk) 20:35, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

I fixed some grammar. Just basic things that were incorrect. — Preceding jmilam comment added by 17:46, 3 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilam (talk • contribs)

NB Slavery did not become illegal in the United Kingdom in 1772 for two reasons, the United Kingdom did not exist until 1801, you are thinking, perhaps, England and Wales. Ireland was a separate Kingdom until that date and Scotland maintained a form of slavery with a tied workers law in coal mining until 1799. Secondly slavery did not become illegal--it had never actually been legal in England since the early Norman period a fact confirmed by several court cases including the Cartwright case of 1569, the 1706 ruling by Chief Justice Holt that prevented anyone suing for damages if a slave on English soil was "enticed" away from his master and the little known trial of Rex vs Stapylton presided over by Mansfield in 1771 where the jury convicted Stapylton for attempting to remove his slave/manservant to the West indies. Nor did the Somerset case have any real bearing on those black slaves brought to England, a judges comments do not make law. Officially, slavery became illegal in the whole of the United Kingdom in 1998 with the passage of the Human Rights Act. Gaptech (talk) 06:40, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Stop trying to shoehorn in the "International African American Caucus"
Can certain posters stop trying to reference this organization, as these references totally lack any NPOV, have zero verification, pertain to a website with zero notability, and just seem to be an attempt to get attention for said website. if you want to advertise then go elsewhere, but inserting blatantly biased and unsourced propaganda is not needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.170.9.117 (talk) 21:14, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

There is a formatting derp in the United States of America section. I don't know how to solve it, but thought I'd mention it. 108.20.130.138 (talk) 19:42, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Liberia
I'm a little confused on why there is a detailed sectioned on Liberia by itself, and then Liberia again farther down with only one sentence. Why are they separated? — Preceding jmilam comment added by 10:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilam (talk • contribs)


 * I've merged the Liberia sections, but the structure of this article still needs some work. Dialectric (talk) 04:10, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Opening
Can anyone explain how the homeland link is related to his page, or is it just random? — Preceding jmilam comment added by 10:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmilam (talk • contribs)
 * The linked page was unrelated; I delinked homelands. Sometimes wiktionary links are used to help clarify uncommon words, but I think in this instance 'homelands' is understandable enough to stay unlinked. Dialectric (talk) 15:03, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

The United States of America
This section briefly discusses the early reaction of the African American community against the Back-to-Africa movement, but does not fully address how as the movement evolved especially after the passage of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, some members of the African American Community supported African colonization.

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Greater Liberia Bill
Just trying to gauge whether the Greater Liberia Bill has a place on this page. I am drafting a write up of it but just checking first if this would be a good fit or if anyone can point me to a more logical place if there is one. Thanks Joshev (talk) 17:21, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * How about telling us what it is? deisenbe (talk) 19:55, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Essentially a bill that was drafted by Senator Theodore G. Bilbo in 1939 to provide financial assistance and 50 acre land grants to African Americans aged 21-50 to relocate to Liberia. Although it did not get passed, the interesting thing about this is the co-operation between Bilbo, a notorious white supremacist, and several black nationalists such as Florence Kenna and Mittie Maude Lena Gordon, who were prominent members of the PME (Peace Movement of Ethiopia), as although their morals and values differed immensely, they were united under a common goal of racial separatism. There is a substantial amount of detail surrounding their co-operation and how it came about that I would also include in the edit. Joshev (talk) 14:37, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

"Eight International UNIA convention"
What is this? I can not find anything about it. Did someone mean to type "eighth international UNIA convention"? 199.120.30.194 (talk) 00:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Dismissing the opinions of Nation of Islam
It looks a little like the article in its present state dismisses the opinions of the Nation of Islam by drawing a loose connection between them and one group of Neo-Nazis. Just because Rockwell might have outwardly supported Nation of Islam does not mean that the Nation of Islam held a white Nazi belief. Also, I think including lines like "Black Hitler" to describe Elijah Muhammad biases the article toward a perception that Nation of Islam believed what they did because they were really Nazis themselves. This is not the case. The article doesn't even give the Nation of Islam's 1960s opinion on the matter, but rather presents it through Rockwell; that seems quite odd. Let's turn the unnecessary and trivial section about Rockwell's relationship to the Nation of Islam into a bit about what some Nation of Islam members believed. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 09:51, 25 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I cannot believe what I am reading here. Who is William Schmaltz? He calls the Fruit of Islam "the Gestapo of the Nation of Islam' -- clearly a biased statement that indicates he associates the Lost Fond National of Islam with Hitler and fascism. This is not a reliable source. Montju (talk) 01:43, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Why is this told nearly exclusively from the POV of white Americans?
When I clicked on this, I expected to read about African American back to Africa movements. I did not expect this to be almost totally focused on white opinion, nor do I understand the "Nadir of Race Relations" categorization since that is bias; it is not a neutral point of view. While it might be true that is a point of view.

There were many African Americans who advocated for return to Africa, and this article trivializes them.01:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)