Talk:Back (horse)

Article horse does not have this covered, at all. Yamenah 03:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, the article is a stub, but it deserves to be an entire article. The horse article doesn't cover anatomy much, and the horse anatomy article is in serious danger of getting overbloated. I say we keep this one.

To that end, I am going to replace deletion tag with a stub tag, seeing as how I haven't been a contributing editor to this article (yet), I believe I am sufficiently neutral to do so. Montanabw 05:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Lumbar vertebra
Should the lumbar vertebrae be covered in this article, seeing that the back only extends to the last thoracic? Or do you want to mention that the lumbar make up the loins, which are considered when discussing coupling, and when evaluating topline conformation?

Also, I was thinking about a section on summarizing poor back conformation (long, sway). Unless you think it is best left the the equien conformation page.Eventer 21:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't start this article, I know that when you say "back" to me, I think of the entire veterbral column, even though I realize that in horses we break the "back" into the withers, back, and loin (not to mention the neck, croup and tail!)


 * I guess if we are going to do an article on just the mid-thoracic vettebrae, that's a rather artificial distinction. My thinking is that this article is heading in a direction to be a supplement to saddle and should discuss withers, back and loin, that which most influences saddle fit.  By that's just my take.   Yamenah, where are you?  Can you weigh in?? Montanabw 23:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with Montanabw that this article is better suited for discussing the withers, back, and loin, and not just the technical back that ends at the thoracic vertebrae. Yamenah 23:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Saddle stuff
Take a look at the stuff on fitting saddles in Saddle, English saddle and western saddle We perhaps should consider having a VERY SHORT section here on saddle fit, with  tags to lead people to the longer pieces. A thought. Montanabw 02:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, FYI, you only need to wikilink a term once per paragraph or section...the trick is that a lot of the anatomical terms do have wikipedia articles on them, albeit usually the human version, But, if we wikilink them, we don't have to go into real technical explanations of them quite so much. Montanabw 02:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh thanks about the wikilinking comment, I was wondering about that. Yamenah 03:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Photos
Found a couple images that may be useful to the article. Keep if you like, toss if you don't. Also OK to download and put on labels for the various parts, whatever works. Hope this helpedMontanabw 02:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of swaybacks...
Doozy of a swaybacked horse in a pasture I go by on my way to work. Will TRY to remember to bring along the digital camera and take a shot. Montanabw 18:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Boldness
Got a little wild and crazy and did a bunch of copyediting, also added some photos of a couple yearlings I didn't buy once, one long in the back, one quite short. Hope I didn't overdo things, wiki articles tend to come together this way, basic ideas get put down, the things get expanded, then rearranged, etc. Anyway, intention was to help. By the way, that image with the skeleton superimposed on the photo was VERY NICE! Way cool, in fact. I really like what you did! Montanabw 06:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

muscles
I did a bit of cleanup in the anatomy section, and will do more (and add references) when I am with my books. My plan is to break the muscles into the epaxial/hypaxial groups (above and below spine), which may help the discussion on conditioning. Getwood (talk) 14:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Conditioning AND the way the horse uses its back to collect in Dressage, versus the way that gaited horses seem to be encouraged to hollow out their backs (at least some of the show ones...Saddlebreds at the rack, etc...). Anything you can add is helpful!   Montanabw (talk) 19:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)