Talk:Backstreet Boys/Archive 2

Pictures
Just one pic with the recent one being removed looks pathertic for such a big bio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KingdomHearts25 (talk • contribs) 09:29, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Albums and Records
I think people get confused between records and albums. BSB have sold only about 75 million albums (40 m in U.S. 10 m + in Europe 5m+ in Australia 3-5 m in South America and 10-15 m elsewhere. Only comibining them with singles sales do they come somewhere around 100m —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.101.45.224 (talk) 09:22, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Who plays what instrument?
Do all the members just sing, or do they play instruments?backstreet boys suck This article can't even answer this basic question. Johnleemk | Talk 05:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Some or all of them can play instruments. Off hand, I know Kevin can play piano, Brian guitar, Nick drums, but it is not really known exactly what instrument(s) who can play and how good.  They're mainly recognized as a vocal group and rarely use instruments in cu performances. dearly 18:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Kevin plays piano and keyboards so dawn good, Nick plays drums quite well and acoustic guitar, Brian plays acoustic guitar and Bongo drum yea yea to kool, AJ guitar and acoustic guitar, Howie only acoustic guitar.Mizunoryu 大熊猫❤小熊猫 (talk) 03:08, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I would just like 2 say that backstreet does not suck! Backstreet boys are amazing!! But, i know some of them play instruments and are quite good at it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Archieluver6 (talk • contribs) 17:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC) brian has an elephant as a pet.

Trivia
Where's the trivia section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.116.242 (talk) 10:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

"making them the highest selling pop group of all-time" ha ha very funny. --Takarada 01:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

How did they really start?
The bio here contradicts or at least tells a very different story than what is on this wiki article. So what is more accurate? dearly 18:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The MTV/VH1/allmusic version of their origin (which the article is now based upon) seems to be revisionist history designed to remove Pearlman from the start of the group. I'm working on restoring the more accurate assembled-at-Pearlman-auditions story, from better sources, to fix this problem -- Foetusized (talk) 00:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I've found a good reference from Vanity Fair (magazine) confirming that Pearlman put the group together through auditions, and that the Backstreet Market was flea market, not a "teen hangout." Please stop reverting edits to this paragraph about the origin of the band without discussing them here -- Foetusized (talk) 15:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Burk parsons never joined the band ministry. Either this line needs to be removed or someone needs to figure out what kind of ministry he went into and redirect it to the correct article. either do this or unlock the article so that I can. I found out that Burk went into christian ministry. so change the link to go to the christian ministry article that damn article about the band ministry. I have no Idea who the dumbass was who linked ministry to the band, and I don't care. Just fix the damn article since you won't let me do it.

If we want this article to be as correct as possible we need to add the part before Richardson and Littrell joined the group, when the group was Carter, Dorough, McLean, Sam Licata/Phoenix Stone and Charles Edwards. Also, Backstreet Market actually was a flea market turned teen hangout Krystaleen (talk) 11:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Highest selling pop group of all time?
Surely with sales of 100 million they can't be the highest selling pop group of all time. Plenty of other groups have sold more than this. ABBA for example, they've sold 370 million records. 81.23.56.16 14:45, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I'd like to direct your attention to the list of best-selling music artists, according to Wikipedia. Yes, plenty of other groups have sold more records and units than the BSB, but I think what the text is trying to convey is that the BSB are the most successful boy band (or even boy band/girl group), in terms of sales. Qwerty (talk) 08:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

ABBA for sure never sold 370 mln records - USA is the biggest market and they sold only 15 mln records there. In UK maybe 20 mln records. BSB didn't sell 100 mln albums - it's clear - 30 mln in US (NSS) and about 10 mln via Columbia House & BMG music club. Their sales in other markets are mediocre (only Canada is exception). Maybe 20 mln albums. They also sold some amount of cassette singles (1,260 mln of "Quit...", 1,190 mln of "Everybody", 0,885 mln "All I Have To Give") in US, close to 2mln singles in UK but it's not enough to change the entire picture. They are not songwriters so all they could get - artist royalty.Until 2000 UP TO 15% of manuf. volume. After 2000 20 % of manuf. volume. So I hardly see more than $100 mln of artist royalty and ... let's be honest -they were poor concert sellers - 1 mln tickets per tour - what is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarmat (talk • contribs) 22:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Need to be locked
This article need to be locked. Somebody has been tampering it lately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mazaj 08 (talk • contribs) 08:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Recently, vandalism isn't just coming from "somebody", but many somebodies. Qwerty (talk) 08:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Also concur. Look under "Breakthrough in the United States: 1997-1999" for example. M173627 (talk) 03:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

By the way, what happened to the histroy of BSB? Where they talk abt how they met, etc? Errr.... somebody has been freaking tampering with it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mazaj 08 (talk • contribs) 05:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

This defintiely needs to be locked. It's all messed up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.25.251 (talk) 07:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Boy band or vocal group?
Shouldn't The Backstreet boys be referred to as a "boy band" and as opposed to being called a "vocal group?"
 * no, why they were a boy band, they were also clearly a vocal group. Why I don't enjoy their music they were a clearly talented vocal group and should be noted as such. Ridernyc (talk) 09:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Millennium Sales
dubious tag added: As per Talk:Backstreet Boys discography 60.234.242.196 (talk) 04:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Somebody is Messing with the URL
I've begun working on my music collection, and when I went to gather the URL for the Backstreet Boys, someone keeps changing to something such as: www.backstreetgays.com or www.backstreetbattymen.com etc. I just thought I'd point it out. --KadratisVelevere (talk) 02:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Need to keep it lock again
Its irritating that someone has been tampering with the article. Again! Especially abt the band's beginning part. Pls keep it lock again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mazaj 08 (talk • contribs) 06:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

In the second paragraph it reads "Jive Records and Pearlman". It is written as if "Pearlman" has already been mentioned earlier in the article. His name had not been mentioned until here. This is poorly written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.141.236 (talk) 19:15, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I reinstalled the deleted band's beginning part twice. I guess someone hated the part about Pearlman, implicating the Boys' careers were launched with criminal money. Well, they were and Pearlman's part in it should be mentioned, NPOV. But of course it was not the Backstreet Boys fault. Nor the great Johnny Wright's fault. It's Lou Pearlman who is to blame. Now there are hundreds of Lou's fraud victims who are having a very hard time. It would be nice if the Boys initiated something to help these people. A benefit-tour with Justin Timberlake? --WeatherFug (talk) 18:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Even worse, check out how the article never mentioned Nick Carter even once, other than in the introduction! Can people PLEASE stop effing this article up and contribute in a positve way?  Lucky Cherub (talk) 14:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * After cruising onto this page, I noticed some of the vandalism and stopped to fix some of it. In the process, I deleted a very poorly-worded description of Lou Pearlman. Seeing as his criminal history had nothing to do with BSB, I believe that it shouldn't be included. If it is, it should be worded less harshly? Hurrah (talk) 23:59, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Accuracy of band's beginning
I, actually, highly doubt the accuracy of the information in the paragraph (in the Beginnings section) that describes how the group came together. In fact, as far as I can tell from the two biographies I have, Sam Licata and Charles Edwards were not part of the group. Unless there are verifiable sources containing this information, someone should change the section for accuracy. Lucky Cherub (talk) 14:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No, seriously--who the heck are Sam Licata and Charles Edwards?! I don't remember them in the origin of the band!  If there's gonna be an origin, do it right: cite it!  Lucky Cherub (talk) 13:30, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Please see above section Talk:Backstreet_Boys. I've seen a couple of references mention Licata and Edwards as early members, and one is currently cited in the article -- Foetusized (talk) 15:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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Lou Pearlman - "Con Man"?
I don't know the details behind Pearlman's criminal activity, but even if is a "con man," I don't see the relevance to this article. It seems to me that he should be described as as "producer" or whatever his relevant title happens to be. This article is clearly biased or vandalized or both. --Nonstopdrivel (talk) 06:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Pearlman's money was decisive to the boys start and further career, gaining fame. This simply cannot be denied. It may be unpleasant for them now, but those are the historical facts. This is supposed to be a biography, not a fan page. All sources/references are on Lou Pearlman page --WeatherFug (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

i would have to agree with weatherfug--Wikiscribe (talk) 23:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I've put a simple statement about Lou Pearlman in the first paragraph, and moved (and improved) the statement about Pearlman spending 3 million (on finding the group as opposed to launching them) down into the article. Still working on phrasing about the origin of the money, and how much more than 3 million he spent to launch the group -- Foetusized (talk) 22:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Only 553 million ????
It says that bsb are the highest money makers with 553 million earnings. How could that be? If they have sold 100 million records worldwide then it alone should bring nearly 1 billion $. And in concerts should bring at least 250 million. So how could they only earn 553 million? Some body please check this.Upol007 (talk) 12:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, the article says $533.1 million, but without a citation. We really need a source for this figure -- Foetusized (talk) 13:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

yeah. we do need a source, and sorry for the mistake —Preceding unsigned comment added by Upol007 (talk • contribs) 12:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You have no clue what you're talking about. Artists barely get anything out of each cd sold unless they write and produce most of their work.  most of the money is made from touring, endorsements, appearances. The 553 million figure is already way high and probably only believable if split between all 5 members and considering how much they made over that decade.  They were never listed amongst the top 10 of forbes richest celebrities.  This article is filled with inaccuracies "backed up" by unreliable sites —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suchcloseure (talk • contribs)


 * So where's the source for sales of "close to 100 million albums worldwide"? You've got no "back up" at all for that figure -- Foetusized (talk) 12:27, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not going to change it back. You can believe what you want to believe..but I just have to say: my backup is that even on their official site/record label had only claimed they sold around 75 million worldwide. even on this very website! and their very fans have for years and years now stuck by the 100 million number even long after their decline. And even then in the past decade when they've been in a huge decline all of a sudden now the number has jumped to 200 million? 100 million was already a stretch and now we're supposed to buy 200 million? I realize that it seems believable because it's from a news website, but you can see the same thing being done across tons of other artist pages - news publications which aren't directly part of the music industry will often not even check the stats they're given (which are often inflated for means of promotion) and will claim the most shockingly false facts. BSB were huge sellers in their time, but you can see this inflation business being done even with artist who sold nowhere near the amount that BSB did. Even though record labels will inflate tremendously, even they are more reliable than some random local news website. Anyone who has followed music charts/sales/certifications and tabulations from the 90's onwards knows BSB hasn't sold anywhere near that amount. Their largest market is the US (where they've sold less than 40 million) and while they were huge worldwide at their peak, you can find certifications for most countries where they had any impact and realize their sales are nowhere near 200 million albums. If BSb sold 200 million worldwide, madonna must have sold 600 billion records, going by that argument. someone like madonna is not only certified for more records in the US but definitely huger than BSB in europe, asia, etc in any continent you want to mention, and there are facts to prove it. yet the ratio of worldwide sales to US sales is so high for BSB that they've now sold 200 million just like madonna? and with only 9 albums?!? yeah right. btw, I love how you're so suspect about the 100 million figure now that someone offered a 200 million stat on that article, because that 100 million figure has been here for YEARS. and NOW it's suspect with you? this article even states that according to guiness their world sales were around 77 million in 2001. so you're basically claiming they sold 130 million albums after they had already declined. LMAO you're saying they sold MORE albums after the period of decline than how much they sold when they were huge in the 90's. talk about unbelievable! Again, you can believe what you want to believe, and I wont' change it. BSB's sales even on their official website are around 75 million worldwide. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suchcloseure (talk • contribs)


 * All I was saying, was that you needed to give a source for a new sales figure. Instead of ranting here on the talk page, put the better number in the article, using a citation to the source for that new figure, and everything will be groovy.  You need to give one or more citations for the new number, or other editors will continue to revert it to the one that actually has a cited source (as has already happened) -- Foetusized (talk) 13:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

You guys didn't get my question at all. The article previously said that jive claimed that BSB has earned 533 million$. It doesn't mean they have earned 533 million$ themselves (which is impossible) but they have earned 533 million along with the label which is again impossible. Even if they have sold 75 million albums worldwide at 8$ revenue per album, it would bring 600million$ and concerts are still selling, but now the article has been fixed, so no need to argue over this. Upol007 (talk) 17:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * This figure has been on this article since December 2007 and have never found a reference on this. It has correctly been tagged requiring a reference thankfully now. The above comment is total speculation and based on no referencing. As has been mentioned - all that is required is one reference - and if none can be found, then it needs removing. Considering the Rolling Stomes had two massive tours in this period playing to a million people, and Cher was in the Guinness book of records for having the biggest tour revenue over this time as well as as the biggest single sales - the statement that they were the "biggest" looks false (they may have made $533 million, but maybe not the biggest sellers for that period.) Eight88 (talk) 20:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

The 100 million worldwide figure is album sales. Not singles. Backstreet Boys(intl) 8, Backstreets Back(intl) 14, Backstreet Boys(US) 14, Millenium 40(million), Black and blue 24, The hits: Chapter One 6, Never Gone 10, Unbreakable 1. Total is 107 million. They have 21 CD singles. Single sales are hard to find, especially worldwide. I've found 12 million sales, for only 10 singles, in a few countries (Australia, Japan, Canada). It's not hard to imagine that some of their singles (IWITW) could sell as good as their albums. And there are the live cd's, burger king cd's ect. Plus, somewhere on Canoe.ca(toronto sun, 24hrs, ect) they mention sales of 200 million. source 24.66.47.235 (talk) 01:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Upcoming metal album
I read online somewhere that James Hetfield and Lars Ulrich left Metallica (and were replaced by Rick Astley and Tay Zonday at Metallica) and joined the Backstreet Boys, and they are planning an upcoming heavy metal album. Can somebody please verify this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.172.128.101 (talk) 15:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Manager


How about a picture of the Manager? Tuba Anode (talk) 20:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Hilary Duff
The new album have a similar sound to Hilary Duff or the Jonas Brothers. Please explain the sound of the new albums better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.178.141 (talk) 22:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Removal of 200 million reference
As per discussion:. Sometimes common sense does prevail. Eight88 (talk) 19:20, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The 100 million worldwide figure is album sales. Not singles. Backstreet Boys(intl) 8, Backstreets Back(intl) 14, Backstreet Boys(US) 14, Millenium 40(million), Black and blue 24, The hits: Chapter One 6, Never Gone 10, Unbreakable 1. Total is 107 million. They have 21 CD singles. Single sales are hard to find, especially worldwide. I've found 12 million sales, for only 10 singles, in limited countries. It's not hard to imagine that some of their singles (IWITW) could sell as good as their albums. And there are the live cd's, burger king cd's, cassette tapes, ect. Plus, somewhere on Canoe.ca(toronto sun, 24hrs, ect) they mention sales of 200 million. source 24.66.47.235 (talk) 01:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Who removed the images of the album covers on the main page
I know there's this fair use image policy and non free image bullcrap but the backstreet boys were the backstreet boys in each of those album and record covers so could some one please, either restore them cos quite frankly that page looks crap without some pictures to go along with the biography —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergai (talk • contribs) 02:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about the edit summary: 18:42, 29 March 2009 by 75.154.186.241 (aka me) I mistook the image was a copyvio when it is not. --75.154.186.241 (talk) 19:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The sales figures
1. This source which I removed was used to support the statement including over 120 million albums outside the United States, the article does not mention anything about Backstreet Boys having sold 120 million units outside the USA.

2. And I removed this source which was used to support the 200 million sales, contradicts with more reliable sources such as the one we currently have. Besides there was a discussion on Backstreet Boys and this very source at List of best-selling music artists and it was decided not to use the article by "princegeorgecitizen" as sales figures published by more prominent news services disagree with it, see the discussion here. --Harout72 (talk) 15:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Image
I had to remove the image that was in the Infobox because it had no proper source info, so it may be deleted. I found another one already in Commons which is more appropriate. FotoPhest (talk) 23:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

OUCH!!!!!
Can someone please fix this article ASAP?! Jake Rabadeau just made himself into a Backstreet Boy, and we all know that it's actually AJ McLean! (I'm posting here because I don't know how to revert edits....) Lucky Cherub (talk) 12:47, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Sebastian and Paolo?
Ok I had just read about this on line and some one fill me in here ok? I got to hear a clip of a new song called "Straight through the Heart" on perez hilton.com.

And it lists 2 new memebers along with Nick, Aj, &Howie, Sebastian and Paolo. When did Brian leave? When did these two join the picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.12.15.122 (talk) 15:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Sales
They have sold a lot more than 100 million. Breaking it down, 40 million sales of millennium, 32 million for the combination of backstreet boys [U.S] and backstreet's back [International]. 24 million for black and blue, 15 million for the hits chapter one. 10 million for never gone, 8 million for backstreet boys [International] and nearly 2 million for unbreakanle. That is a total of nearly 131 million. Then add the sales of the new album this is us and the sales of the album for the fans and you're looking at an extra couple of million.
 * Don't foolishly believe the over inflated sales stated here. Backstreet boys have sold only a little more than 80 million albums worldwide.The sales certifications of Millennium adds up only to 20-22 million. You could add maybe an extra 3 million. The 'Backstreet Boys' album has sold only about 23 m worldwide and Black & Blue has sold no more than 15 million copies. If I were you, I would stop trusting the sales figures stated here and look to reliable sources.-KingdomHearts25 (talk) 23 March, 2010 (UTC)

Edit war
I will remain firm that I will prevent any kind of attempt to revert to one badly written, biased and fan-page lookalike version of this article. I will remain true to my version of this article because it responds to some criteria of readibility and informative nature. That's my stance even if it will get me blocked like it has a couple of times because I edit with boldness and decision but everytime there is a rookie that is editing without any kind of formulation of the main objectives of the article: That's all. Thank you very much.
 * 1) readibility
 * 2) activity
 * 3) removing the dubious and boasted information
 * 4) retreiving perfectionist approach
 * 5) finalizing the article
 * Regards: The Mad Hatter (talk) 18:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

New sales figures
This group has now sold 130 million albums http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=552734&publicationSubCategoryId=70 Their total record sales are higher but their total record sales aren't exact, there are just other sources saying in the region of 200 million. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Music Realist (talk • contribs) 00:31, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Carmaker1, let's start a discussion here about what you're trying to accomplish
First, if you have doubts about the reliability of the sources such as swisscharts.com, you need to take it to WP:RSN. Second, please do not use official sites to support any of the statements, they are not regarded as reliable. Third, please avoid constructing short sentences such as In October 1996, they released their fourth single, "Quit Playing Games(With My Heart)". Fourth, do not replace already existing statements with others such as the one in this edit.--Harout72 (talk) 02:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

First concert
There appears to be no reference backing up the date of the first concert, and the description fits with other references that give the date as May 1993. Does anyone have a clear (non-Wikipedia-clone) reference for the July date? Otherwise I'll change it. DJ Clayworth (talk) 18:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Members section
There really is no need to name the section Solo Careers as having the main articles linked to the page under Members should give editors access to the detailed information about each one of them. In other words, accessing the main articles not only allows one to find out about their solo careers but also details such as marriage or relationship etc. Therefore, calling the section Solo Careers would be incorrect as the main articles do not only contain information about their solo careers. --Harout72 (talk) 16:59, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Years Active
You need to change their years active back to 1993-present as they never left —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.2.29.159 (talk) 18:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Left Jive
Nowhere in this article does it state that the Backstreet Boys are no longer signed with Jive Records as per their official website. I am posting here as I do not have an account and cannot edit the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.213.132.246 (talk) 00:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

the groups sales are higher than 130 million, they are now in excess of 150 million http://www.newswiretoday.com/news/78193/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.231.46 (talk) 12:40, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Sales
It was mentioned on VH1 that the group has sold over 200 million records with between 130-150 million of them being albums alone —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.220.231.46 (talk) 10:26, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Vanity vandalism
How the heck was this edit, as well as the variations thereof, allowed to stand for over 24 hours? This page isn't even on my watchlist. I just stumbled upon that nonsense while looking up this band after my niece mentioned that she liked them. If I hadn't found it, how long would such an egregiously bad edit have managed to stand, I wonder? LHM 03:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

One of best-selling artists?
This is with regards to this edit made by Skaterboy2012. Backstreet Boys could be viewed as one of the best-selling boy bands of all time, but not artists. The statement is linked to List of best-selling music artists which covers artists/bands/projects that have sold over 50 million plus records; in other words, because the article contains Backstreet Boys and many other bands, it doesn't mean the Backstreet Boys could be viewed as artists. Artists are those who perform individually such as Elvis Presley, Barbra Streisand, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion etc.. The Backstreet Boys are a band, but even as a band, they could not be viewed as one of the best selling bands of all time as that specific category would require bands such as The Beatles, Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones etc.. Therefore, it's best and correct at the same time to state The Backstreet Boys are of the best selling boy bands of all time and link the statement to List of best-selling boy bands, and that's what we had originally. Hope this cleared things up for Skaterboy2012.--Harout72 (talk) 23:24, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Boy band is more like an unofficial term, and the fact that Backstreet Boys are now independent, growing older and have more of adult-oriented music means that they are not a boy band anymore. We cant atleast put "one of the best selling groups of all time". How about that? Skaterboy2012 (talk) 16:06, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, I agree that they no longer are a boy band, but then, 90% of their record sales relies on when they were still a boy band, correct? Also, in order for them to be viewed as One of best-selling groups of all time, would require at least 150-200 million in record sales to be able to compete with some classic rock groups/bands such as the ones on List of best-selling music artists, don't you agree?--Harout72 (talk) 16:39, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

New single and album
The page does not say that they are releasing an album with nkotb. There is also no page for the nkotbsb new single 'don't turn out the lights' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.213.132.246 (talk) 22:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Referred to as BSB
I restored the sentence "The Backstreet Boys are sometimes referred to as BSB." (previously added, but reverted) because the BSB disambiguation page includes Backstreet Boys. After some dispute and discussion on Talk:BSB, there appears to be consensus that the Backstreet Boys are commonly referred to as BSB, and so their inclusion on the disambiguation page is within the purpose of a disambiguation page, specifically (3rd bullet point in WP:DAB) that "Ensuring that a reader who searches for a topic using a particular term can get to the information on that topic quickly and easily ..." To avoid breaching WP:DABSTYLE - which requires that the target article actually describe the term - I have explicitly mentioned the abbreviation here.

If anyone thinks the addition is not appropriate, please explain why on this talk page. Personally I don't care whether the abbreviation is used/common or not, but I strongly believe that if it doesn't belong on this page, then this page doesn't belong on the BSB disambiguation page, because of the clear guideline in WP:DABSTYLE.

It has been mentioned on Talk:BSB that the band's official page, which I've used as a reference, is a primary source, so perhaps we need a secondary source as well or instead. Mitch Ames (talk) 05:58, 10 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The ref for this has been "changed" to a cite news template, with a different title etc, but but the URL is exactly the same, ie http://backstreetboys.com/ Should the URL have been changed to something else? Mitch Ames (talk) 11:46, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I have simply formatted the source provided; however, as I've stated in the edit-summary, supporting that statement with BSB's official site is not the right approach, and it should be replaced as soon as a third party source is located.--Harout72 (talk) 15:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that a third-party source is required. But I am not knowledgeable about the band, and don't have the time or inclination to chase up such a source. Surely someone more knowledgeable than I could find one easily. (I expect that any of the several people who insist that it is common knowledge should be able to do this.)
 * In the meantime ... I have changed the ref to cite web instead of cite news and removed "Don't Turn Out The Lights", which is only part of the page, not the page title, and only visible with Flash (WP:ELNO item 8). (A ref to the band's page is better than nothing.) Mitch Ames (talk) 11:41, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, it is common knowledge that they're referred to as 'BSB', but I really don't see the reason for adding it in the lead, especially as a seperate sentence. Maybe you can add something like 'The Backstreet Boys (also referred to as BSB) are a vocal group.....' KingdomHearts25 (talk) 15:40, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The reason for adding "BSB" is clearly explained in my opening paragraphs above - so that we can include it on the disambiguation page. If you think Backstreet Boys does not belong on the disambiguation page, please say so explicitly. If you think we should ignore WP:DABSTYLE please say so, and explain why. If you think "BSB" should not be in the lead section, and/or a separate sentence, please move it or reword accordingly, but do not just delete it. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:19, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


 * KingdomHearts25, I've reverted your removal of "BSB" again. Please discuss it here first. In particular, could you answer these questions:
 * Should Backstreet Boys be on the BSB disambiguation page?
 * Do you agree that we should follow WP:DABSTYLE? If not, why not? (An example of one DAB page (MJ) that breaks the rule isn't justification for others (BSB) to break the rule.)
 * Explicit answers to these questions will will help me resolve the problem - ie the mismatch between BSB, Backstreet Boys, in terms of following WP:DABSTYLE. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:53, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I stated my opinion previously in the request for comment, but I'll add it again here. Ideally, BSB should be in both places.  I don't think its removal in the article is grounds for its removal from the dab page.  Really, I can't believe it is that big of an issue.  Canada Hky (talk) 04:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * And checking out the history, I believe KingdomHearts25 is right on point with his MJ / Michael Jordan (Jackson) example. A little bit of common sense should prevail. Canada Hky (talk) 04:55, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Canada Hky, you say that "I don't think its removal in the article is grounds for its removal from the dab page". Do you think that WP:DABSTYLE should change? In particular: Include related subject articles only if the term in question is actually described in the target article. This issue of an acronym / DAB page entry linking to an article that does not use the acronym appears to occur in several places. Rather than repeatedly ignoring a rule, should we collectively take this discussion to Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation and suggest that the rule be changed? Mitch Ames (talk) 06:08, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Editors are invited discuss the general problem of DABSTYLE-compliance at Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation. I have started that discussion as a direct result of the disagreement expressed above, and the new discussion explicitly includes this page. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think common sense should override policy. The Backstreet Boys are often referred to as "BSB".  It keeps getting removed from the article.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  I have no burning desire to get bogged down in a never ending debate about DAB style pages, etc.  I think common sense dictates that if someone might come to a disambiguation page looking for something, it should be on there.  What good is an encyclopedia that makes information difficult to find.  That's it.  I'm done with this debate.  Canada Hky (talk) 00:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Common sense also says that if the Backstreet Boys are often referred to as BSB, then the article should say so. (What good is an encyclopedia that doesn't give you facts about the topic?) Happily the article, the DAB page, the policy and common sense are all in agreement at the moment. So if we just leave well enough alone now... Mitch Ames (talk) 11:48, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Richardon's appearance with the group on Oprah?
Richardson has rejoined the group at least twice after he left, once in November 2008 (as stated in the article) and another in late October 2010 on Oprah. The one on Oprah isn't in the article. I found it interesting because in most cases usually ex-members don't do performances with their old group anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.94.230.89 (talk) 16:53, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Not update news
There's no new news about the backstreet boys current activities. i mean when will they release new album such as, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uthpala2012 (talk • contribs) 04:00, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Year they were formed
Why has it been changed to 1994? They've been going since 1993.

sales
they have sold 55 million albums worldwide according to rolling stones — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpneto96 (talk • contribs) 18:16, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Harout72 undoing revisions
I'm not clear which source that Harout72 deemed unreliable. I guess Nick Carter speaking about his former bandmate isn't reliable? Or IMDB isn't reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.137.67.149 (talk) 17:54, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * First, the source itself, as I stated in the edit-summary, is not reliable. Also, Nick Carter stating that Kevin is doing theater is nothing definitive, this must come from a reliable source, and clearly perezhilton.com isn't one. As for IMDB, there is no general consensus here on Wikipedia that IMDB is actually reliable, see this. IMBD is very much like wikipedia; in other words, it can pretty much be edited by anybody. Also, let me remind you that you have already violated WP:3RR. As for your You Tube source, the video is a copyright violation, and You Tube is not regarded as reliable on wiki, refer to Reliable source examples. Again, all statements must come from reliable sources. Lastly, pushing your way with help of edit-warring is not the way to get things done on wikipedia.--Harout72 (talk) 18:25, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'm sorry. But regarding the sources, first, Nick wasn't only talking about theaters, but movies too (the naked thing in the video is referring to a movie Kevin starred last year, "Casserole Club"). And his movies are available commercially, although only on DVDs not in theaters. Second, I put a youtube link because otherwise I don't know how to put a video as a reference. I have the full video (not in parts like that youtube clip) and it's pretty much real/unedited. I don't know how it is a copyright violation when the video is not even commercially available. As far as I know the event organizer posted that video online for free. But anyway, would any of this articles be considered reliable? http://www.athensreport.com/2011/09/here-are-the-celebs-who-got-their-starts-working-at-disney-parks/ or http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/101320

Otherwise I have no idea what would you deem as reliable source when the guy hasn't got an official biography. Just wanted to help making the page more complete and accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.137.67.149 (talk) 18:48, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for trying to engage in a proper discussion. Please understand that regardless of the fact that wikipedia can be edited by all, we do have guidelines about certain things including what sources to use. Editors should become familiar with those guidelines before trying to edit boldly. I have cleaned up the article a bit, I will do some more when I have time, but please do not insert statements, if you can't find reliable sources for them. If you're not sure what could be regarded as reliable, you can either ask editors on here, or simply ask the folks at WP:RSN. I'm afraid, neither one of the sources above is reliable. It's always safe, when statements are released by new services such as CNN, BBC, Fox News, Washington Post etc., or highly regarded music related establishments such as MTV, VH1 etc. --Harout72 (talk) 18:58, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

record sales
The figure of 130 million is album sales only, though it may only be 120 million. They have sold over 70 million singles worldwide. This adds to 200 million records. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.178.150 (talk) 10:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Even the 130 million looks inflated based on their available certifications, see List of best-selling music artists.--Harout72 (talk) 16:26, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Thats the same with all artists on that list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.178.150 (talk) 23:44, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 February 2012
Please add in the following under the Millennium/black and Blue section: "I Want It That Way was voted #3 on VH1's 100 Greatest Songs of all time in December 2007,[5] #10 in the MTV/Rolling Stone list of the "100 Greatest Pop Songs Of All Time" in 2000. It was ranked #6 on Blender Magazine's 500 Greatest Songs Since You Were Born list and #16 on VH1's 100 Greatest Songs Of The Past 25 Years in June 2003."

41.185.174.178 (talk) 06:58, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.-- Ankit Maity Talk Contribs 11:33, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 February 2012
PLease add in under the "Millennium, Black and Blue, and World stardom: 1998–2000" section : Millennium is now the 9th biggest selling album of all time with a total of over 40 million units sold world wide. Source : http://www.listzblog.com/top_twenty_greatest_selling_albums_history_list.html

Dhirshg (talk) 13:27, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That doesn't seem like a reliable source, it's a blog.--Harout72 (talk) 16:05, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 April 2012
Years Active: 1993-present

BAM SUCKA UK (talk) 21:50, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Provide a reliable source supporting your request.--Harout72 (talk) 22:47, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


 * They were on hiatus for a year and a half and went back to the studio in late 2003, but released the album in 2005. If we were to edit that section I think "1993-2001, 2003-present" would be more correct than "1993-present".Krystaleen (talk) 10:41, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Kevin Richardsons return to the group
(During the NKOTBSB tour)In London while performing at the 02 on April 29th,2012, the band announced that Kevin Richardson would be returning to the band. Dianal92 (talk) 22:34, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

2012-New Album
On April 29th at their 02 concert with New Kids On The Block, Backstreet boys announced that they would be returning to the studio in the summer to record their next album. Dianal92 (talk) 22:36, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

World Records
Just wanted to put this here while I work out the sources.


 * Guinness Book of Records
 * Best Sales Week in History @1.13 Million Albums (Millennium), which was shattered one year later by boy band *NSYNC selling 2.4 million records in 1 week. **Fastest **Selling Album in a Year (Millennium)
 * Best-selling Album for First Half of 1999 (Millennium)
 * Most Radio Station Adds In First Week: "I Want It That Way" with 165 radio adds.
 * Most Tickets Sold In Oneday: 765,000 tickets (selling out all 53 concert dates)
 * US$14 million of merchandise was purchased by fans during the 1999 "Into The Millennium" tour.
 * The '99 tour drew over 2 million fans, breaking the record for largest indoor audience.
 * Most expensive music videos ever made: Larger Than Life (#5) (Cost: $2,100,000+)
 * Best International Sales Week in History @ 5 million: "Black & Blue".
 * First artists in history to achieve back-to-back million-plus first week sales.
 * The highest debut certification: "Black & Blue", which was simultaneously certified Gold (500,000 copies), Platinum (1 million copies), and eight-times Platinum (8 million copies).
 * "The Highest Selling Boyband In History" with over 77 million sales. Now over 100 million.
 * First group since The Beatles to achieve 30 million sales of two discs.
 * The Backstreet Boys' 2001 "Black & Blue World Tour" earned US$350 million in ticket sales, making the band among the world's highest-paid live entertainers.

Krystaleen (talk) 10:31, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Former BSB members
I've read a short biography, but it would be interesting to talk a little bit more about the origins of the band with Edwards and Licata (Now known as Phoenix Stone)