Talk:Bad (tour)/Archive 1

Second leg
The second leg was not completely live. Smooth Criminal, The Way You Make Me Feel, and the first half of Man In The Mirror was not live. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.188.128.40 (talk) 22:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Did anyone notice that the article says that there were 14 sold out concerts in Japan, but the tour dates list 23 dates? It shows 14 in the first leg, but an additional 9 in Tokyo on the second leg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Genesis199125 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Just Good Friends
The song itself was not brilliantly received, utterly forgotten and generally does not have much value at all. The live performance on this tour however, IS notable. But probably does not warrant it's own page. There's a brief mention of it on here, let's expand that then delete the main page. (The Elfoid (talk) 01:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC))

The song Just Good Friends does have its own article.

Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Good_Friends_%28song%29 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.212.34.229 (talk) 15:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I know. My point was that it doesn't need one of it's own given the only notable information on it relates to the live performance. Critical reaction to an album track can go on an album page, information on live performances can go on the tour page given it was an important event on the tour. If it was performed regularly on multiple tours info would perhaps deserve it's own page, but not given how things turned out.

You misunderstood me - I said it needs merging with this article.(The Elfoid (talk) 10:19, 20 December 2007 (UTC))

My deepest apologies. Sure go ahead :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.200.139.9 (talk) 14:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge done. (The Elfoid (talk) 21:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC))

Image
Could someone post an image on the article that will not get deleted by Wikipedia due to copyright, removal procedures, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonalvelos (talk • contribs) 00:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Edits including more band information
Where the hell is all this extra information coming from? Some are trying to add saxophonists and changing the band members etc. which really does not make any sense. Maybe it would be worth to have a semi-protection on this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.38.226 (talk) 13:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Trivia: Spain August 1988
During his august '88 visit to Madrid, Michael Jackson visited the home of then Spanish Finance Minister Miguel Boyer and wife Model/T.V. Presenter Isabel Preysler. At the time a fourteen year old Enrique Iglesias was on summer holidays at his mother's (Isabel Preysler) there he was photographed alongside his family with Jackson, this was the second time both had met. Grammy96 (talk) 06:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * To be honest, that tidbit's probably not notable enough to warrant inclusion. haz (talk) 14:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Inflation Calculator
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If you take 1987: $125 million, equivalent to over $240 million in 2008

If you take 1989: $125 million, equivalent to over $220 million in 2008 []

Why $380 million? --Roujan (talk) 22:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Sources on amount earned in UK and Japan
Anyone find any sources to this piece of info? I think there is a video of a news report on Wembley and gave figures like this. Thanks.

Michael earned $63 million for the 14 concerts in Japan in 1987, and £16 million for the 12 concerts in the United Kingdom in 1988 (an equivalent of £700,000 per hour). This is equivalent to $176 million today - from just these 26 concerts, and it's uncertain how much more Jackson earned from the remaining 97 concerts performed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.33.25 (talk) 18:08, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Another Part of Me
Why was this song performed about ten times its original speed in the second leg. And, why doesn't Michael sing the line 'can you see it' before 'you're just another part of me'. Still, amazing song, amazing live performances. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.44.88 (talk) 18:48, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Cleaning up this article
I believe this article really needs to be protected in some way. It needs a clean up, with regard to the overview, set list and tour date layout. We don't even need an attendance column, unless it comes from a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LowSelfEstidle (talk • contribs) 00:36, 13 April 2010
 * Almost a year later... I started by removing the unsourced attendance column. --Muhandes (talk) 13:40, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The Dangerous World Tour and HIStory World Tour articles are an utter mess. I try to add some reliable sources and removing the horrible fan/trivia information, but they keep reverting back!. LowSelfEstidle (talk) 16:25, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep doing the good job, I'll help keeping watch over the articles. BuddyX was already blocked indefinitely. --Muhandes (talk) 16:49, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

St. Louis show
According to the available sources, Michael Jackson cancelled 1 concert in St. Louis during his U.S Bad Tour. The first concert was supposed to take place 12.03.1988 and the second one 13.03.1988. Then the first show was postponed to 14.03.1988 because of health problems and again in 14.03.1988 it was cancelled the second time because of laryngitis. I have not found any sources that this show was rescheduled for the second time.

NB! 13.03.1988 concert went on as planned according to the available sources.

If you do not believe me, then read the references closely and use March 1988 calendar for calculating. Lassoboy (talk) 18:41, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 2012

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The result of the move request was: page moved to Bad (tour). Malcolmxl5 (talk) 23:39, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Bad World Tour → Bad (world tour) – This Michael Jackson tour was in support of his Bad album which we have named Bad (album). (We don't call it Bad Album.) From the first announcement of this tour to the last date, the name of the concert was Bad. Binksternet (talk) 15:37, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
Various observers have added words to help differentiate the tour and the album. Here are some versions:
 * Bad [including italics or quotes for emphasis]:
 * In 1987, Jet magazine called the debut performance "Bad", then characterized it as a tour.
 * Jet again in 1987
 * Ebony in 1989
 * In the Studio with Michael Jackson, a 2009 by MJ's recording engineer Bruce Swedien
 * Legends of Rock Guitar: The Essential Reference of Rock's Greatest Guitarists, 1997 encyclopedia
 * The Book of Hit Singles: Top 20 Charts from 1954 to the Present Day, 2001 encyclopedia by Dave McAleer
 * Michael Jackson, The Man Behind The Mask: An Insider's Story of the King of Pop'', 2005 book by Bob Jones and Stacy Brown
 * The Rough Guide to Rock, 2003 encyclopedia by Peter Buckley
 * The Great Rock Discography, 2004 encyclopedia by Martin C. Strong
 * Billboard in 2007
 * Billboard in 2009
 * Bad tour:
 * Michael Jackson: The King of Pop, 1993 book by Lisa D. Campbell. Also page 165.
 * Michael Jackson: The Magic, The Madness, The Whole Story, 1958-2009, a 2009 book by J. Randy Taraborrelli
 * SPIN in 1993
 * VIBE in 2003
 * Continuum Encyclopedia of Popular Music of the World, 2003 book by David Horn et al
 * Billboard in 2005
 * Bad Tour [capital 'T']:
 * Jet magazine in 1992
 * The Many Faces of Michael Jackson, 1997 book by Lee Pinkerton. The book also calls the tour "The World Bad Tour" and "The Bad World Tour".
 * "...world tours include Bad Tour 1987...", from The International Who's Who 2004.
 * Bad world tour:
 * Jet in 1988
 * Bad World Tour [capitals]:
 * The Many Faces of Michael Jackson, 1997 book by Lee Pinkerton. The book also calls the tour "The World Bad Tour" and "Bad Tour".

In August 2005, this article was first put forward as "Bad" World Tour. I have purposely left off any web-only references dating from after this Wikipedia page was formed, because its presence skews the results. Printed forms are the most reliable.

Recently on this page there has been a revert war over two possible names: Bad Tour and Bad World Tour, neither of which were ever the official name of the tour. I have realized that neither is correct since neither is the actual name of the tour, and neither is so much in common use that it should take over. Binksternet (talk) 21:09, 25 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. Perhaps Naming conventions (music) should be expanded to include conventions for (world) (concert) tours? To get an idea of the de facto naming conventions, look at the concert tour article titles in Category:Concert tours, and specifically, Category:Michael Jackson concert tours and List of concert tours by Michael Jackson and The Jackson 5.  Parenthetical disambiguation is not used most of the time, and when it is used, it seems that (tour) is more common than (world tour) or (concert tour).  Is there a desire here to avoid implying that this tour was, er, not a good tour, or the Bad World tour? – Wbm1058 (talk) 17:30, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh heh... The humorous implications of the title are often employed in published articles about the tour, the song and the album. That's not my "desire", though. Binksternet (talk) 18:05, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Regarding the observation that other tour articles are generally not using parenthetical disambiguation, I think Article titles is the applicable guideline. The first choice for an ambiguous article name such as Bad is a natural disambiguation, if available, and the second choice is parenthetical. Thus this particular article could be named Bad tour, Bad world tour, Bad (tour), or Bad (world tour). Looking upward at the guideline we see Article titles which recommends the shortest possible unambiguous title, so now that would throw out the word "world" since there was only one "Bad" tour. So now the choices are Bad tour and Bad (tour). In solving this problem with the Bad album, we did not use natural disambiguation: Bad album. Instead, parenthetical disambiguation was chosen: Bad (album). I think the same could be done here. Binksternet (talk) 18:19, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose move to Bad (world tour) but support move to Bad (tour), per Binksternet's revised suggestion (and detailed summary). -- Trevj (talk) 11:32, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that Bad (tour) should be the new article name. Is there a way to alter the Requested move mid-stream? Binksternet (talk) 15:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you can just put a prominent note for the closer, in a place where it'll be seen. Either up top or down here, I guess. S/he may relist for further discussion, if deemed necessary. -- Trevj (talk) 18:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Support move to Bad (tour), per Binksternet's revised suggestion. Wbm1058 (talk) 21:47, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
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Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: page not moved. There's no support for this proposal. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:36, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Bad (tour) → Bad World Tour – The Dangerous World Tour and HIStory World Tour aren't named Dangerous (tour) and HIStory (tour) and other concerts by other artists aren't named [Album's name] (tour) either. Bad World Tour was the original name for this article. His own official website and the Immortal official website refers to it as Bad World Tour. Check http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/the-artist/timeline/date#1987 and http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/en/shows/michael-jackson-tour/past-tours.aspx EscapeX (talk) 09:58, 27 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose. See previous RM directly above. Contemporary sources mostly called the tour Bad, with italics or emphasis on the "Bad" part, the majority writing just "Bad" alone. Binksternet (talk) 11:38, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * People will call a tour by what ever they want. If I were writing an article, I could refer to the tour as Bad World Tour, Bad Tour, the tour for Bad, Michael Jackson's 1987 Tour, Bad 1987 Tour, Bad Japan Tour (for the Japan leg). They italicize Bad because that's the album's title. EscapeX (talk) 06:50, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Reason for move is not a legitimate reason to move. We've had this discussion before and determined Bad as the tour's title, from multiplie reliable sources.  — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 19:23, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Bad (italicize) is the name for the album. Bad World Tour is the name for the tour. EscapeX (talk) 06:50, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. The michaeljackson.com page is ambiguous, because it renders the title in all caps. Is it the "Bad World Tour" or the "Bad world tour"? —C.Fred (talk) 05:18, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Tours are also often referred to as as [album title] tour, or [album title] world tour.  — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 05:33, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It's the "Bad World Tour" EscapeX (talk) 07:03, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no evidence that it says that. It's rendered in all caps.  — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 02:36, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Why would it be "Bad world tour"? The others tours on Wikipedia have the word "Tour" capitalize. EscapeX (talk) 06:50, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Just because other tours are done one way, doesn't mean all are...  — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 21:54, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. Does anybody have access to the Guinness World Records in which the tour is listed? To see what they call it?  — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 05:33, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Compelling new evidence will be needed to overturn the previous RM. Per the official site "BAD - 25th anniversary", see the "BAD TOUR STAFF JACKET". It just says "BAD" on the front... "WORLD TOUR" is on the back. – Wbm1058 (talk) 02:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * "Bad Tour" and "Bad World Tour" are the same concert. "Bad Tour" is a shorter way to refer to it. EscapeX (talk) 06:50, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Binksternet and Status. — ΛΧΣ  21  03:43, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * See comments above. EscapeX (talk) 06:50, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Looking through the comments above, EscapeX has failed to present compelling evidence that the full, formal title of the tour is Bad World Tour. At most I only see one new source, and it's at a site that is internally contradictory. I do not see anything here to justify overturning the results of the last RM. —C.Fred (talk) 21:02, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
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Dirty Diana
The link to Jackson Home Movies is below, at shortly after 54:00, Jackson says how he took "Dirty Diana" out of the show that the Princess actually attended, and was unable to add it back in so close to show time. Perhaps the reason you see it on the DVD is because MJ was notorious for stitching together a concert for release to the public made up of clips from several different concerts, as he was typically not satisfied with an entire performance from start to finish. And Dirty Diana being a popular song, I'm sure he wanted it to be included on the DVD. I would take it from the word of the man himself, rather then a DVD, that as I said before, is typically made up of several different concerts :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvjlBQ6bbhc Zdawg1029 (talk) 23:00, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

The July 16, 1988 Wembley concert is a full shot concert from that day. Nothing was deleted or added (the same clips were played during the concert on the JumboTrons), except one small Billie Jean ending clip, because they was not able to restore it. This concert tape was discovered, when MJ was already dead!! He did not do anything about it! He himself would never have released Bad tour on dvd. Basically, I would like to say that the Wembley date is a full concert with no additions from other concerts. So, Dirty Diana was performed on that day, but The Way You make Me Feel was taken out because of concert time limits. Here is the source: "The highlight of the package is the DVD of Michael's legendary July 16, 1988 concert at Wembley Stadium. The concert is not a compilation of performances, but rather one complete show, exactly as Michael performed it for Prince Charles, Princess Diana and the 72,000 fans who were in the audience for that night's sold out show. This show was one of the record-breaking seven nights played at the venue attended by more than half a million people – three times that many people tried to purchase tickets. The DVD was sourced from Michael Jackson's personal VHS copy of the performance as shown on the JumboTrons during the concert. This footage was only recently unearthed and is the only known copy of the show to exist. The visuals have been restored and the audio quality enhanced so that fans can share in the excitement of that famous night." http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/news/25th-anniversary-michael-jacksons-landmark-album-bad-celebrated-september-18-release-new-bad-25

Regarding the interviews: yes I have heard MJ saying it twice during the interviews (in 1997 and in 2003) that he thought that this song would offend Princess Diana, but he never said that he would not add this song back to the set list at any cost! He only DID say that the show time was too close to add it back, but he NEVER SAID that he did not actually add it back. When somebody says that he is unable to do something, that does not mean that he will not do it no matter what/at all, decisions always change.

Lassoboy (talk) 06:35, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you kidding me? I think Michael Jackson saying that it was to close to show time to add it back CLEARLY indicates the song was not added back into the set list! How do you not get that? Otherwise he wouldn't of said "but it was to close to showtime to add it back." Okay so what we have here are two pieces of evidence, one of the actual guy who performed the show saying it wasn't added back to the set list, and a bootleg concert you claim was of the show the Princess was actually at. How do you know that was that exact show? He played 5 dates at that place for that tour, it could have been from anyone of them. So what is more reliable? The words from the guy who actually performed the show? Or a bootleg DVD? Hmmmm gee I wonder.Zdawg1029 (talk) 13:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

No, my friend, I am not. When MJ said that "it was too close to show time to add it back" it CLEARLY DOES NOT indicate that the song was not added back into the set list! Why, you ask? Firstly, pardon my language, it may contain grammar errors, because I am not a native speaker of English. Secondly, let`s take it logically: let`s say that you are MJ. You are going to meet Princess D and then think, ooo boy, I`ve got a song that might offend her. Let`s take it quickly out from the set list! Okay, now it`s time to meet D. But, unexpectedly, D says that she loves that song, especially that song! Now you are between two walls, to add this song back to the set list or not to add. And now you think: ooo boy, the show time is sooooo close, can I add this song back to the set list or... f#ck that, let`s do it. And now we have a dvd with that song! lol The band, of course, logically, did not forget how to play that, right!??

So, basically, in my opinion when MJ said during the interviews that "it was too close to show time" he might meant that he added this song back at the very very very last minute. But he only used to emphasize the fact that "it was too close to show time" and did not add that he added this song back in the very very very last minute. And that`s all, he never said that he did not add it back at all!

But, how do you explain that TWYMMF song was taken out in July 16? Lassoboy (talk) 18:22, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

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Early Setlist
Were there songs planned for the 1987 setlist and 1988 setlist? 173.54.179.139 (talk) 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * What do the published sources say? Binksternet (talk) 21:27, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 August 2018
Please add the cancelled dates section of the Bad and Dangerous Tours.

Here are the links to the cancelled dates of both tours.

http://en.michaeljackson.ru/concerts-tours/bad-world-tour-schedule/

http://en.michaeljackson.ru/concerts-tours/dangerous-world-tour-schedule/

https://web.archive.org/web/20131205142131/https://mjbaltic.com/Shop/MJ_Dangerous_BIG_WHITE_T-SHIRT.jpg

http://eil.com/Gallery/350250b.jpg

https://web.archive.org/web/20160325171547/http://www.thefreelibrary.com/MICHAEL+JACKSON%27S+EUROPEAN+TOUR+DATES%3a+SUPERSTAR+SET+TO+BEGIN+TOUR+ON...-a012229447 173.54.179.139 (talk) 20:17, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


 * ❌ - "please provide a verbatim description of the text you wish to be added". Fish +Karate 13:39, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add the cancelled dates section of the Bad and Dangerous Tours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.54.179.139 (talk) 10:48, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 August 2018
The Tacoma, Washington shows were cancelled because Michael was sick. Justifylips (talk) 18:18, 30 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Padlock-blue-open.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:21, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Philadelphia, PA?
Was there or was there not a concert date in Philadelphia? I've heard at least two personal sources mention that they were in attendance in 1988.72.174.131.123 (talk) 12:34, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

I did hear about 2 shows that were supposed to take place at the Spectrum arena in September (sandwiched in between Pittsburgh and East Rutherford, NJ) but both shows were cancelled due to unknown issues Thomasthedarkenguine (talk) 6:14, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Really? I never heard. That’s why I removed the dates at put dates that are correct. Everyone keeps changing it! NiceHat3786 (talk) 08:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

June, 2022 edits by IP
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I added rehearsal dates
I added rehearsal dates to all Michael Jackson concert pages available. If you find any new ones insert them in. :) - NiceHat3786 NiceHat3786 (talk) 02:46, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Proposal: map of locations
Would something like this be more concise?