Talk:Bad Iburg

copyedit of article
Hi there, I have copyedited this article but have some questions.


 * Are the 'outlying centres' in paragraph 2 seperate villages or towns, or are they suburbs/neighborhoods of Bad Iburg?
 * paragraph 3 still needs a wording change, it is not as smooth as it could be.
 * The first paragraph of the History sections states, 'Frankish troops regained the castle', should it rather be that 'Saxon' troops regained the castle?
 * Please read carefully the second section in the history section, were there two castles built, one by each of the bishops?
 * Please read carefully the third paragraph in the history section regarding the two churches, did I get this right?

I hope I have improved this article, if you have any questions or suggestions let me know!-- killing sparrows  (chirp!) 06:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * outlying centres: This needs a little more explanation, I'm afraid. In the beginning Iburg was only a settlement at the castle which is situated on some kind of small mountain. It got the privilege of a Flecken, some kind of small town, in 1254 by Osnabrück's Bishop Bruno von Isenburg. In 1294 Iburg was mentioned as an oppidum, a town like settlement with a porta east of it. Because of it's important history the Flecken Iburg got the privilege of a town or city in 1959. In 1967 Iburg was named Bad Iburg which expresses the privilege of a place of reconvalessence. In 1970 Glane, Glane-Visbeck, Sentrup and Ostenfelde outside the city were united to Gesamtgemeinde Glane. In 1972 Glane and Bad Iburg became the city Bad Iburg.

At least "municipality" sems not to be the correct expression. --MrsMyer 09:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * paragraph 3: I agree with you completely. What I could not translate nicely is the German word Dopppelanlage. Maybe "complex" says that it is a combination of a noble building and a monastery. And, what makes it even more difficult: We have in German two words for castle, Burg and Schloss. In the beginning Iburg castle was a Burg. A Burg is something like a fortifikation but that is probably to strong. A Schloss is the residence of noblemen. The residents of Iburg later on were Prince-Bishops, both noblemen and bishops, living in the Schloss. Maybe you can help to smooth this paragraph?

I hope to say more later on. Today I'm unfortunately a little busy. --MrsMyer 10:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * 'Frankish troops regained the castle': I tried to make this more evident.
 * Were there two castles built, one by each of the bishops? Yes, on the whole there were three castles, one after the other. The Frankish fortifikation didn't last, neither the first castle of Benno I. I tried to explain more carefully. Could you please check it up again?
 * the two churches - perfectly right. Thank you so much for your support.

About the development of the city I'll think about were to add this. Maybe you simply copy my explanation if you think it's resonable? --MrsMyer 11:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

By the way: If you like to know what the castle looks like there is a bird's view on [www.badiburg.de]. It's difficult to take photographs of the castle to show the whole complex that's why even the German article doesn't have any. --MrsMyer 11:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You have explained things very well and I will now do some more work on the article. A few more questions...


 * What are the major economic factors today? Tourism probably, but is the area a farming/agriculural area? Is there industry or manufacturing there?
 * I removed the reference to the spa from the opening but from your comments above about 'convalesence' this should be put back in. I will look at some tourist sites about Bad Iburg for more information.
 * Regarding the 'town,' 'centre,' 'municipality' questions, let me also look at the tourist sites on the Internet, sometimes they have the more precise word we are looking for. It is not always easy to transliterate these terms as English speakers try to push foreign words onto what they guess are the same things. We'll find the right word!
 * I am enjoying this! I hope we can do similar work in the future.-- killing sparrows  (chirp!) 18:16, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

So do I! After WW II Iburg grew by refugees from the Russian occuptied areas or displaced persons from now Polish and Czechoslowakian areas. But that happened in the whole Federal Republic. This didn’t mean industrial development; most people worked in the steel works in Georgsmarienhütte or in Osnabrück. Farmers live changed by selling ground for housing areas what made a number of old Iburg families wealthy. Dörenberg-Klinik is of importance. It is a medical rehabilitation centre for orthopaedics and rheumatologie. Tourism is a business, mainly hiking I presume. But you couldn’t say Iburg is mainly living on tourism either.
 * Well, there is no industry worth to be mentioned nor is it an agricultural area any more. Even de:Iburg doesn’t say anything about it. Until WW II it was a small place. People were living on trading, handicraft, sawmills, there was some wire cable production (at least one remained) and still in the 19th century linen manufacturing like probably elsewhere outside the bigger cities. There were farms, of course, but they were not as large as in the U.S. or nowadays in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern or other parts of Lower Saxony. Iburg always had a court (Amtsgericht, lowest level), it still has one. People were as well working for the district administration as Iburg was an own district (Landkreis) until 1932 when Kreis Iburg vanished in Osnabrück district.
 * Health business and tourism: Bad Iburg had it’s biggest number of sanitariums probably until the early 1990ies. But as public health care system was changed and reduced the chance for ordinary working people to spend three, four or more weeks in a sanitarium there is only a certain number left. Taking a cure became to expensive. Bad Iburg is not an exception, such happened to many other health resorts if it was not a fashionable resort where you would spend a holiday nevertheless.
 * As Bad Iburg is within easy reach from Osnabrück by Bundesstraße 51 it became a popular and I dare saying fashionable place to live for Osnabrück people. Moving to Bad Iburg let the city even more expand since the the 1970ies and it is still growing. And the old land owners don’t have to worry  if farming is a need. They do it or they leave it.

(If you like a cosy place in a beautiful landscape, forests, ponds with trouts, a walk on mount Freeden in spring covered by larkspur in full blossom or having a view from mount Dörenberg  to Münster,  if you feel that five fashion boutiques at choice are enough, if you like smoked trouts and westphalian style smoked ham,  if you are crazy for Pumpernickel, if you don’t think a Schützenfest is a silly event, if you are convinced drinking a Korn or Wacholder now and then is not a bad habit, if you want your children growing up safely ore are looking for a pleasant place for retiring, if you don’t mind knowing your neighbours, if you are willing to pick up a few Plattdeutsch-words or tolerate  Westphalian language,  if you don’t mind that maybe your ancestors disliked Romans… Bad Iburg is not a bad choice – am I homesick? )


 * Well, mount Freeden - Kleiner Freeden (200 m) and Großer Freeden (269m) east of the centre of Bad Iburg city map  - could be mentioned because of larkspur.  I can check which kind of  Larkspur is growing there, usually in April before the trees come into leaf. At least I know it’s protected and very rare in Germany, at least in such an amount I do not know any other place. But I’m not an expert.  Maybe it’s Delphinium, it could be Delphinium consolida because mount Freeden is of  pure limestone. I’ll find out. --MrsMyer 14:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

New section to avoid confusion
OK, can you tell me about the spas. Are there natural mineral springs in the area that are thought to promote health and healing? I think that the German "bad" is the English "bath", and both from Roman times when bathing was more common, our Dark Age and Middle Ages european ancestors thought bathing was rather sinful.

As to modern economics, it sounds like Bad Iburg is now what Americans would call a "bedroom community," a place to live for people who work in a nearby large city. They want the peace and quiet of a small town away from the large city. Small shops and farms, natural beauty, tourist hostels and attractions. Is this the case?

Was the second castle, built by Benno I, also destroyed by fire or warfare?

Your description of the food and festivals and beauty have me considering a trip to Bad Iburg! Smoked trout and ham, Yum!-- killing sparrows  (chirp!) 02:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Bad and bath are the same. But in this context it doesn't have to mean that you are cured by taking baths. It is a title spas in general get under certain conditions by German authorities.

There is a spring but of very limited importance. It is a sulfur water spring if I'm not mistaken. It was used but it is not any more. Bad Iburg is a Kneippheilbad named after Sebastian Kneipp. And it is a Luftkurort(Luft=air, kur=cure, ort=general expression für a place, city, town and so on).

Well in my point of view Bad Iburg is a bedroom community, but Iburg inhabitants wouldn't say so. At least not the "old" citizens. And as there ist trading and some other business I would not call it bedroom community in a encyclopedia. You simply can't make out a certain business that dominates others. If I had to make out one I'd say tourism and all the health stuff ist important for Iburg's income.

Second castle: One doesn't know exactly why and how it fell to ruins. By archaeological excavations remains were found. One doesn't even know much about Benno I. life; he doesn't have an article in de:WP so far. But we know a lot about Benno II.

I'm glad you liked my descripton. I always take Pumpernickel from Iburg. Ham would be served along with asparagus and potatos this time of the year, lovely!

Have a nice weekend! We're having an extraordinarily warm spring (today 25-27°C) after a very mild winter season. Climate change? Maybe maybe not. Read you again next week! --MrsMyer 15:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)