Talk:Baguio/Archive 1

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Raymer, no, I don't live in Baguio, but I've been there several times on vacation, and I've gone to most of the tourist spots there. What the page needs are some pictures of Baguio City (public domain pictures if possible), and a map, too (public domain as well). Do you live in Baguio? &mdash;seav — Preceding undated comment added 12:38, 24 January 2003 (UTC)

Seav, I have lived in Baguio for about eight years now. I think that I can arrange for some pictures of Baguio by way of a friend who does photography for PhilStar. The map, well, I have permission from the Mayor's office to republish the city engineer's office map, but that is entirely too big. I think I can probably get permission from the Department of Tourism. As with you, I'm pretty busy but I think that I can squeeze some extra material from friends and family and professional acquaintances. &mdash;Matthew Raymer — Preceding undated comment added 12:57, 24 January 2003 (UTC)

Spam Links
Links that are added to promote a site, that primarily exist to sell products or services, with objectionable amounts of advertising, or that that require payment to view the relevant content.


 * baguiodirectory.com
 * baguiohotel.com
 * baguiocity.com
 * baguio-real-estate.com

Please feel free to discuss if the link should be removed from the list or not. Gomi 05:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Social Networking:


 * baguiox.com

Unfortunately, baguiox.com is a social networking site so it cannot be included in the list. I recommend, however that Wikipedia users should visit the site.

Forums


 * baguiocityonline.com
 * baguiodirectory.com

Baguiocityonline.com is primarily a forum, as such it cannot be included.

For consideration:

After going through some of the sites, I feel the following links might be added to the external links section since they are more of a community oriented nature and provide additional information in addition to the wiki article. Gomi 05:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * cityofpines.com
 * ibaguio.net


 * Alf notified me on this external links edit war. While I haven't seen the websites in question, I'd say that we leave the EL section empty (except for the official website) and discuss here what should be added there. --Howard t he Du c k 14:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I feel that the Official Website should be the only website in the external links. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.170.111.228 (talk • contribs) 14:08, 13 July 2006.


 * I beg to disagree. Haldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Why not? --Howard t he Du c k 01:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Unlike other city sites like manila.gov.ph or cebu.gov.ph, The official site needs registration to access most of the information. Isn't that against the wiki guidelines? That's why we need more sites up at the link section which is publicly accessible. Haldamir 14:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. From what it seems, you thought blizzard.com should be part of Baguio City. I guess that says something.


 * huh? Haldamir 14:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Here's Wikipedia's policy on external links: External links. Generally, posting your own website/blog is not accepted unless it really is a very good website, and preferably English. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Howard the Duck (talk • contribs) 14:12, 13 July 2006.

His site is obviously for profit as he uses Google ad worda to make revenue. You'll also notice that he is going to have a store.

Wikipedia.org: "Wiki spammers edit pages to include advertising links to their sites" which is what he has done in the External links section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.170.111.228 (talk • contribs) 14:21, 13 July 2006.


 * Your actions speak louder than words. Were you not the one who deleted the other sites' links and added baguiodirectory? Haldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You may want to do a little more research. The site was added by 23:00, 27 December 2005 by this IP address: 68.224.132.213

Also, others sites (plural?) I only delete iBaguio.net, but you deserve an 'A' for effort.


 * I really didn't have an opinion before, but if in doubt I say let's go with Howard's idea of removing all but the official city site and work from there. --Alf melmac 14:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, User:Gomi has yet to appear, and if he does insert his own website at the external links, it will be reverted unless WP:CONSENSUS has been established. I've already put up a notice there. And btw, please don't forget ~ . You can also add ":" at the beginning of your statement so that it will be indented. --Howard t he Du c k 14:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. His site should not be placed on there.  The only reason why I continue to place BaguioDirectory.com is because I travel to Baguio City all the time.  I found them through Wikipedia.  They are a directory of all the businesses in baguio city.  I cannot find anything when I am there so it is very helpfull to me.


 * I beg to disagree, as Gomi mentioned, clickthecity.com is a more convenient, accurate, and updated directory with everything you need, including lists for reputable internet cafés. Haldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * So you are saying that we should put clickthecity in the external links for 'Baguio City?' So why are you fighting so hard for iBaguio which does not provide any of those qualities? Would the Administrator even allow clickthecity.com to be listed on the Baguio City page? If so, great, let's get started.  If not, what's left?  Obviously that is why I push for baguiodirectory.

iBaguio.net, although aesthetically appealing, does not help baguio city at all, there is ALMOST NO CONTENT! Look at the tabs for places, lodging, dining, people. It goes to an error page. So why does he keep self-promoting? If his site is considered. this site makes money from the end user though its store and google ad words. That is as commercial (for profit) as it gets.


 * Quote: "(ibaguio) does not help baguio at all" - I'm sure a lot of other site visitors will disagree with you. Haldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I am sure a lot of visitors 'would' agree with me, so I'm not sure I understand the point you are trying to make.


 * If sites were disqualified because of Google Adsense (not ad words), then thousands of sites in external links sections should also be removed. Haldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Haldamir, it doesn't seem that you are able to address the real issues. iBaguio removes baguiodirectory.com on the basis that it is commercial, but feels that their own site is not commercial?  Here is what I suggest; using wikipedia, type in commerical, then you will get the definition, then click on the word advertising.  Would you say that iBaguio.net is not commercial also?  Of course it is. So I am saying that he shouldn't be a hypocrite.


 * Even if the content for iBaguio is currently sparse, there is nothing in the guidelines that disqualify the inclusion of the site to the external links section as it provides additional information other that what is in the Wiki article. And you mean to tell us that baguiodirectory and baguiohotel are not commercial sites? Haldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Who said anything about disqualification. Wouldn't you have to 'qualify' your content first? Who did that the site administrator?
 * "And you mean to tell us that baguiodirectory and baguiohotel are not commercial sites?" And you mean to tell me that iBaguio.net is not a commerical site? I never said those two sites were not commercial.  You two are making the boisterous claims. All I am saying is that if iBaguio.net can be in the external links, so should baguiodirectory.com and baguiohotel.com

the other site Baguiodirectory.com does not make money off the end user. Only business in Baguio so that people like me can get the helpfull information. I travel to Baguio and there is not Internet Connection in the hotel. What am I supposed to do? I need a site like baguiodirectory.com to tell me where the nearest Cyber Cafe is. My fellow travelers need this site.


 * If there was no internet in the hotel, you wouldn't even be able to log on to baguiodirectory, isn't it not? Haldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Good point. I retract that statement. However, it is interesting that you could not address the real issue: "...Baguiodirectory.com does not make money off the end user. Only business in Baguio so that people like me can get the helpfull information." With that, what if I did have internet connection, will iBaguio.net provide such information?


 * Who in Baguio City would look up 'Baguio City' in Wikipedia. Yes, maybe a few locals, but I am sure it is more focused on future tourists or future residents.  would they want to go to iBaguio with 'sparse' information?  Doubtfull.

I looked at the helpfull link you posted:

Occasionally acceptable links


 * "2. Web directories: When deemed appropriate by those contributing to an article on Wikipedia, a link to one web directory listing can be added, with preference to open directories (if two are comparable and only one is open). If deemed unnecessary, or if no good directory listing exists, one should not be included."

iBaguio is not a directory,and has no content. So BaguioDirectory should be considered over iBaguio; otherwise please leave both of them out.


 * You are a classic case of the Filipino "talangka mentality" that I have seen in quite a while. Just because your preferred site is disqualified from inclusion does not mean that other qualified sites should be excluded. Your statements are baseless, I'm a frequent visitor to the old ibaguio site and it had considerable information on profiles of local artists, business investment opportunities, mapping information, travel guides, and relevant news. I personally know the site owner, his redesign was long overdue and I'm guessing the current void is merely a sign of growing pains as they move to the new design (which was made by somebody here). Haldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No need to try and insult me. Do you usually make assumptions? Also you continue to use the plural version of the word site.  I only do not like iBaguio.net because it provides almost no content.  What is the point of it being one of the only two sites listed that do not have content?  I am not the only one who removed iBaguio.


 * Yes, I am sure you do know the site owner. Once they are done with their growing pains, then go ahead and resubmit his site. I didn't know you were an expert on 'baseless-statements.' So far it seems that all your comments are based only on opinion, assumptions, and no actual FACTS.

Thanks again —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.170.111.228 (talk • contribs) 15:03, 13 July 2006.


 * Lets wait for Gomi's explanation then we'll sort it all out. --Howard t he Du c k 15:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

In response to 70.170.111.228:


 * In the first place, I did not put the ibaguio link here, the link was already up (with about a dozen others) when I registered and began adding content to the Baguio City page. If you check the history, the external link section was cleaned up by Polaron, your site baguiodirectory.com and baguiohotel.com was removed, the edit summary was tagged as "removed spam links". The only two links left were baguio.gov.ph and ibaguio.net.


 * Ey gomi, I was the one who added the link (no, I'm not directly associated with ibaguio and I added it unregistered around 2004 if I'm not mistaken) it was at a different domain before when I added, obviously it has been updated. I got your text yesterday, cul8r@sbc. Haldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * So I didn't add baguiodirectory, yet I am accused of it.


 * I do not understand why you have continously removed other links and inserted your own, and that is the contention here... you didn't have to remove the other links, there have been several instances were baguiodirectory.com was placed on top of the list while other sites were put down. The history does not lie, just check last year's page history.


 * As I've said earlier, actions speak louder than words. Haldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * very wise.


 * Please do not think that your IP is not traceable, as it shows up in the logs for baguiodirectory.com. Why don't you register properly in the wikipedia?
 * What is that supposed to mean? Trace it all you want. Feel free to see me anytime.


 * FYI: iBaguio was formerly the official site for Baguio since 1997 before the official site went up there are signed papers with MosCom Baguio (the operators of the site) to substantiate this. I do not work for MosCom Baguio.
 * ClicktheCity.com is a better source of directory information for Baguio as well as other cities in the Philippines.
 * Ditto. I have yet to meet a Baguio citizen who even uses the "other site". Seriously. Haldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * hahaha Why would a Baguio Citizen go to Wikipedia.org, then type in Baguio City, just to go to iBaguio? "Seriously"


 * Ibaguio does not sell anything. How sure are you that the store link on the site will sell anything? Baguiodirectory.com sells ad space and bookings through baguiohotel.com (which you also added after removing other links), a listing here in the external links section is ultimately intended to drive traffic to the sites revenue earner. Ibaguio does have content, albeit thin. The official baguio site is even thinner in traveller information.
 * What information do you provide to the traveller, besides events? You mean the offical baguio's City Demographics, Background, Historical notes, are "thinner" traveller information? What about events and News, Forum. etc.


 * Please cite valid reasons why ibaguio should be removed from the links as it also provides valid and updated information on whatever content that is actually there.
 * I have sited plenty. I do not really care if iBaguio is removed or not. However if baguiodirectory.com is removed, then iBaguo should not be up their either.


 * Please also explain why you were deleting the other links, are you being anti-competitive with a clear bias towards the sites that only you like? That was why you were given the Vandalism warning several times.
 * What other links do you refer too?


 * I'm not into this "editing war" I was only reverting your edits, which were already identified as spam links by another user.Gomi 08:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ditto again.
 * Gomi, are you connected to iBaguio.com? Also I've replaced the discussion title back to the original title. Once a title is posted on a talk page it shouldn't be changed. --Howard t he Du c k 10:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That site is owned by Lisa Araneta (yes, of the popular Araneta clan), her sister is my long-time friend.Gomi 10:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I did not know it was a poluarity contest.
 * What is the Store tab for? And after inspecting the site most of the tabs open with errors. Is there an effort to introduce more content into the website? --Howard t he Du c k 10:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Doesn't the guidelines state that any link can be considered as long as it provides information in addition to the info found in the wiki article? Even if we assume that ibaguio was only one page, it does provide additional info. Perhaps Gomi does not want to mention it but there negotiations to acquire and transfer the site's ownership. However, even if Gomi eventually owns ibaguio, I see no reason why another wiki user cannot add the site to the external links section. If this issue needs further clarification, please message me so i can get you in touch with the current site ownerHaldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Finally you get closer to the truth. It seems more like exuses.  "Doesn't the guidelines state that any link can be considered as long as it provides information in addition to the info found in the wiki article?" That is what BaguioDirectory does too.


 * I'm told it is for a virtual exchange/online classifed ads. The old site located at baguio.com.ph (it's the same one, different domain that had to be dropped when the gov.ph site went online) had a comprehensive list of tourist attractions and traveller information, it's still being updated to the new design including updates to the articles which are being rewritten (some of the original was more than five years old) which explains the lack of pages at the moment. Gomi 11:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Honestly, a resource for buying Baguio goods would be great! Haldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * commercial


 * its not a commercial entity, no matter how much you want to believe that it is. Haldamir 14:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * btw: the current site only went online late this summer. Gomi 11:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I used the "old" ibaguio site to in my previous edits/additions for Baguio City. I'm excercising my right to include links for relevant sites in the references and external links section... of course, based on the current Wikipedia guidelines for external links. Haldamir 05:28, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Then I would notify those who want to excersize their right to add baguiodirectory.com on there too.


 * There is no consensus yet, and I'm waiting for 70.170.111.228's reply. I'll be taking it down. If 70.170.111.228 does not answer, then iBaguio will be used at the external links section, not the references, unless somebody cites them properly. --Howard t he Du c k 05:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I feel both sites should either be up or down. not one or the other. baguiodirectory obviously provides additional content that iBaguio does not.

Discussion restarted.

OK please people, be civil and don't do personal attacks. Sign your posts with --Howard t he Du c k 01:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC). With that said, iBaguio does make money from the enduser, because of the Google adsense. I have encountered this before and the people told me that if the site have ads, better not put it.


 * i see nothing in the guidelines that prevent sites with ads from inclusion, only objectionable amounts of advertising, just like baguiocity.com Haldamir 14:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Although clickthecity looks a like a viable alternative, as much as possible Wiki needs to have a local site.


 * sorry, that was only cited as an example that there are better alternatives, directory wise. Haldamir 14:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Although BaguioDirectory has content, it is primarily a directory, hence should only be "occasionally considered".

Even if it does have content it the policy states:
 * In general, any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have once it becomes an example of brilliant prose.

iBaguio and BaguioDirectory both fail on this one. Another one:
 * # A website that you own or maintain, even if the guidelines above imply that it should be linked to. This is because of neutrality and point-of-view concerns; neutrality is an important objective at Wikipedia, and a difficult one. If it is relevant and informative, mention it on the talk page and let other — neutral — Wikipedia editors decide whether to add the link.

So Ok, either both is removed or both is added. Choose one. --Howard t he Du c k 01:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * we really need external links on this one. the official site also "fails" on the guidelines and the info on the site is generally useless for travellers and tourists... considering that Baguio is a tourist city. Haldamir 14:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * My apologies for not signing all of my latest comments. I have enjoyed this debate and feel impartial just as long as both sites recieve the same fate. However my preference would be to see them posted. --70.170.111.228 06:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Mr. 70.170.111.228, how are you connected to baguiodirectory.com and web coast design? Be civil and professional about this. Please don't try to hide behind an anonymous IP address, it's very easy for me to ask friends around who you are. Baguio is that small. I feel it is a great disservice to wikipedia users that useful sites are not included that provide additional information apart from what is in the Wiki article. The guidelines do provide leeway for "commercial sites" to be added, I request for reconsideration. Mr. Duck, since you obviously have more power than most users, on the topic of the two contested sites, which one is more commercial? ibaguio or baguiodirectory and baguiohotel.com? baguiodirectory is disqualified on two counts: one it being a site that sells services and primarily a forum Haldamir 07:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Anonymous IP? I thought I can be traced *shivering*. What would you ask your friend: "Do you know who IP 70.170.111.228 is?" Get Real. Look it up. Tip - Reverse IP. I am not even from Baguio City or the philippines.


 * Duh. I know that... from Ohio if I'm not mistaken. Its anonymous since you are not using a wikipedia account. Haldamir 14:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Next, are you threatening me? Please let me know, so that I definately can address that first and foremost.


 * If you feel you are, then too bad for you. Why are you being so defensive about baguiodirectory anyway? Haldamir 14:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Again, I plead, no personal attacks. --Howard t he Du c k 15:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * "I feel it is a great disservice to wikipedia users that useful sites are not included that provide additional information apart from what is in the Wiki article." What is your complaint? I totally agree with you. Are you also blaming me for USEFUL SITES (again plural) for not being on wikipedia?

Haldamir, you:
 * 1) you lack the 'ability' to address specific issues and are unable to hit them head on. 2)obviously enjoy aurguing, and have no sense of common-courtesy or decency. Howard the Duck asks "Do you want both sites up or down?" yet you dodge his question too. 3) Based on the last statement, you make accusations and cannot back anything up. Use humility, and learn to compromise, otherwise, you will continue to have problems. 4) It is funny how I mention the iBaguio.net forum to Alf (administrator), and now the forum has been removed from iBaguio. hypocrite.


 * I just did. Baguiodirectory.com cannot be included (1) too much advertising. (2) forum (3) no "taste" as per wiki guidelines. (4) content is not of "high quality" as per wiki guidelines. baguiodirectory IS a commercial entity being registered here and in the US under web coast design, which incidentally also includes baguiohotel.com. Haldamir 14:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd have to ask, I did not find advertisement from baguiodirectory although I did find one at ibaguio.


 * Don't worry I will contact Baguiodirectory and let them know about this. You can "trace" them all you want. They deserve to right to defend themselves and put in their two-cents.


 * does your first name have the letter "P"?


 * Haldamir, any additional comment you make to me will no longer be responded too. It is a waste of time. --70.170.111.228 12:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC) look it up.


 * Whatever. Haldamir 14:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, as Gomi cited earlier, please consider adding cityofpines.com to the external links also. Salamat! Haldamir 07:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Why? --Howard t he Du c k 15:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

sure add that too.


 * Just for interest, the Luzon article contains no external links at all --Alf melmac 12:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL. Everyone wants to linkspam at Wikipedia. Even the new napster. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Howard the Duck (talk • contribs).

Mr. 70.170.111.228, I'd also have to ask, what is your connection to the website?


 * still no reply? i wonder why... Haldamir 14:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Another point why baguiodirectory should definitely not be included: I went over baguiodirectory's directory... most of the listings are obsolete, it doesn't even list the big internet cafes here. Even lists cafes and computer shops that openly use pirated software. You have to be a local to know this... so much for being a "well-informed" american in the u.s. assuming he knows more about Baguio than the locals. Sheesh.

Wikipedia guidelines: "Any site that contains factually inaccurate material or unverified original research." Haldamir 14:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I can't verify this. But if you do add verification, the better. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Howard the Duck (talk • contribs).

Decision
Ok, for the benefit of everyone concerned, only one link will be at the external links section. That is the best compromise. Nobody wants to have a lame edit war about external links. If you'd have any complaints, bring them to Philippines notice board or to requests of comment. Thank you. --Howard t he Du c k 15:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hal cited a very valid reason near the top of the discussion why baguio.gov.ph is inadequate, the official Baguio site's major sections are not publicly accessible, i.e. you need to register. Gomi 07:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yahoo!, in order for you to access the features, you must login, yet they're listed at the Yahoo! article. Also, registration is free so it is still, "publicly accessible." -- Howard   the   Duck   07:48, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I don't mean to intrude in your very animated discussion regarding which external link should be included, and this is my first time at Wikipedia Talk, and would like to clarify a few things:

1. Lisa Araneta, a resident of Baguio since 1991, and a lover of Baguio since 1970, is the webmaster of [http://www.gobaguio.com Go Baguio! Your Complete Guide to Baguio City, Philippines], not any of the ones included in your list. She has worked on the website for years to provide site visitors with as much free information about Baguio City and strives for it to be one of the most helpful sites on the internet.

2. I don't think that you should limit the links to just one, because the whole point of Wikipedia is to be as complete a resource as possible. It will also limit the reader's choices. Websites that do not have any content can be deleted and later on re-included (like Ibaguio when the webmaster finally decides to add content to his beautiful design).

3. Sites with Google & other ads are not necessarily money-making or commercial websites, and certainly do not contain "objectionable amounts" of advertising. Pay-per-click (PPC) ads allow a website to earn ad "cents" to pay for the costs of maintaining a website, and earn only IF the ads are clicked. They are limited as to the amounts of ad units allowed, and most do not make that much money at all! The great thing about it is that, with it, webmasters may now give as much free information without having to limit their endorsements to particular advertisers. The whole point is, info sites with PPC ads can "sell" Baguio more effectively and that's a good thing.

4. I think that those sites that appear in the major search engines should be included and not considered spam as they can only appear in the search engines if they have content. You know how hard it is to get listed on those. This avoids judgment calls by few persons and allows the internet marketplace to determine which one gives them the relevant info they need. And the readers deserve this.

5. Without meaning to put Baguio's Official Website down, it does turn off some folks because of the membership requirement. I, myself, have been discouraged by this feature many times and have not entered the website simply because sometimes I just want to browse, not join a mailing list. You can imagine how may others have immediately clicked the "back" button and moved on to the next website on the list. Also, while it is No. 1 in Google, it appears only in the "lower" pages of Yahoo. So maybe you should reconsider this decision and include other websites that are content-rich also, if you truly want to be fair.

6. Other destinations (like Manila) have more than one external link, so why should Baguio be limited to one? For example, those who provide free maps should be included. Directories, no matter how incomplete can be included because the valid listings are not invalidated by the obsolete ones. Visitor info websites and portals are very important to a destination. Their research can give more precise and in-depth information to supplement those posted by Wikipedia contributors.

Guys, by including others we have nothing to lose and Baguio has everything to gain! --Creativenative 04:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I think Creativenative is right. By including others, Baguio has everything to gain! Especially in tourism. As long as the external link is a simple domain link, and the target isn't up to anything indecent I see no problem why it should not be added. -nox Rnocom 02:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Use of barangay listing?
Other than adding to the load time of the wiki article, what is the purpose of the barangay listing? Unless it had demographic information per barangay I suggest the whole section be removed.

For reference, the Manila page does not have a barangay listing. Gomi 07:28, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Every Philippine city and municipality has a barangay list. Don't remove it. And please, I'm pleading, sign your posts with this: ~ so that we'll know who you are. Thanks. -- Howard   the   Duck   07:48, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, Manila has 800+ barangays, it would be a very looooooong list. -- Howard  the   Duck  10:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I think Manila does not list its barangays not because it will be a long list, but because it does not really matter what the barangay names are. But since folks do use Wikipedia as a research tool sometimes, and Baguio's section contains comparatively very little info about Baguio, I think we can keep the barangay list in the meantime (as a "filler," which is what it is right now) until the Baguio section gets really large. The suggestion about demographics is good though. Maybe someone with info will add to that soon. --Creativenative 05:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Cantonese in Baguio?
I have heard that majority of the Chinese living in Baguio are Cantonese rather than Hokkiens? Anyone to confirm this?


 * Yes. 124.107.37.42 08:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Property Listing
it would be great to have a link for a list of available properties in baguio. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jqaquino2 (talk • contribs) 10:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC).


 * not 125.212.106.238 02:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree Bu b0y2007 03:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Userbox
Here's a new template that you can use on your userpage! Just copy this code: User Baguio

This will produce this: Bu b0y2007 04:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Loakan airport closure...
This may be of little importance to many that read this but please note the following... The President of the Philippines and the Mayor of Baguio are behind moves to close the Loakan Airport in Baguio and redevelop the land for industrial purposes and have those that wish to fly to Baguio instead use the new Poro Point airport in San Fernando City, La Union and then bus it to Baguio... So please be advised that unless certain groups can fight off the closure it looks like this airport could be closed to make way for big business - I wonder just how much money will be pocketed by certain politicians when this happens??? The President during a dinner meeting with the local media last April announced plans closing down the airport because it is not earning and the space should instead be used to accommodate the expansion of Texas Instruments Philippines Inc. -- a US-based semiconductor firm, and the largest locator at the BEPZ

Opposed to the airport's closure, The Hotels and Restaurants Association of Baguio, (HRAB), Baguio Tourism Council (BTC), and Baguio Conventions and Visitors Bureau (BCVB) also passed separate resolutions supporting the call for its rehabilitation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maximus69 (talk • contribs) 03:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The unsigned editor who wrote this section added in 2007 seems to have a different set of facts than what I can find. From what I read, the airport was closed for dommercial traffic after it was damaged by a 1990 earthquake. There were other reasons to close it, though. "Nowadays, the combination of a short runway, steep cliffs and frequent poor weather have made this destination too dangerous for any scheduled commercial traffic to operate." A series of accidents were associated with it. There were plans in 2019 to reopen it in 2020, but as of October 2020 those have not come to fruition. "Hopefully by next year, early next year [meaning 2020]...We are fasttracking and hopefully by early next year, we can open it [Loakan airport] and operate it again." Dgndenver (talk) 23:02, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Philippine Science High School
why is this school listed under the list of major institutions for higher education?Krysspana (talk) 06:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

 
There is a discussion regarding the removal of the word "city" from the article names of Philippine cities. This may imminently affect the article name for . For city names which are not unique, disambiguation alternatives are also being presented. Formal request for page move may follow after a reasonable time of discussion. If you wish to participate, please post your comments here. --JinJian (talk) 03:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved Peter Karlsen (talk) 03:29, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Baguio City → Baguio — Part of series of multiple page move requests involving Philippine cities under the category General rule -> eliminate the word “city” from the name of the Philippine cities except those needing disambiguation. This request is made after preliminary discussions for the removal of the word "city" from most of the article titles of Philippine cities and providing disambiguation wherever necessary. Some disambiguation may involve using the, format, regardless if it is highly urbanized, independent or component cities. In here, purports to describe the general area and not necessary as the mother political unit of the city, since some people might have wrongly believed that this naming convention is exclusively for Philippine towns only. For more information please see Wikipedia_talk:Tambayan_Philippines/Task_force_LGU. JinJian (talk) 06:55, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Butuan City → Butuan
 * Cagayan de Oro City → Cagayan de Oro
 * Caloocan City → Caloocan
 * General Santos City → General Santos
 * Iligan City → Iligan
 * Las Piñas City → Las Piñas
 * Makati City → Makati
 * Malabon City → Malabon
 * Mandaluyong City → Mandaluyong
 * Mandaue City → Mandaue
 * Marikina City → Marikina
 * Muntinlupa City → Muntinlupa
 * Navotas City → Navotas
 * Olongapo City → Olongapo
 * Parañaque City → Parañaque
 * Pasay City → Pasay
 * Pasig City → Pasig
 * Puerto Princesa City → Puerto Princesa
 * Taguig City → Taguig


 * Support/Endorse the requested move for this article and the ones listed above. I have also expressed general support on the page linked to by JinJian above. I do not plan on visiting each and every article involved but my comment here can be cited or transcribed to a pertinent discussion or vote if needed. Lambanog (talk) 09:41, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Support for the numerous reasons I have stated over the years. See the linked discussion page in the proposal for details. --seav (talk) 00:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
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Please?: demonym? Baguioite   Baguioan   Baguioian   Baguionian   Tarlaqueño
I have checked < http://baguiomidlandcourier.com.ph >.

hopiakuta  Please  do   sign  your  communiqu%c3%a9 .%7e%7eThank You,   DonFphrnqTaub  Persina. 16:05, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Garbage Dump Photo
On February 1, 2008 user Exec8 inserted a photo of a Baguio hillside garbage dump to the "Economy" section without further explanation. It surprises me that other editors have not removed this photo earlier. While I will concede the photo is somewhat interesting, I fail to see where a view of a garbage dump contributes to the subject of Baguio's economy except very tangentially. Unless Exec8 wishes to add a section on Baguio's environmental conditions and place the photo there or add a paragraph in the Economy section discussing the side effects of Baguio's economic growth or demonstrate some other reason why this photo has relevance, in my view it is unnecessary and distorts the reader's perceptions of Baguio. Odyssipedia (talk) 21:53, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Cleaned up Baguio talk page
I had to remove old discussions about Spamming in this Talk page as the discussion itself is being used for advertisement. It's spamming masquerading as discussions. ANY SPAMMING is not allowed in Wikipedia in any form per WP:Spam. Talk pages should only be used for discussing improvements on the article, not which one is the lesser SPAM; any SPAM is considered as SPAM. I removed all discussion/Spam that is not within the scope of Talk pages per WP:Talk pages. Thanks. Briarfallen (talk) 20:45, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

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Are you high?
The article states "It is the highest major Philippine city in terms of elevation."

For one, Baguio is NOT a major city. It is a small rural town. Secondly, can a city be highest in terms of something other than elevation??? Is this a drug reference?112.198.77.15 (talk) 12:38, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Baguio certainly is neither small nor rural. This is personal research, so I'm not putting it in the article of course, but I was there yesterday. With its many large buildings, including many government offices because it is the center of the Cordillera Administrative Region, with several institutions of higher learning, with its intense traffic congestion, it is not rural. In 2010 it was the 31st largest city in the Philippines, with a population of over 318,000. The user above doesn't know Baguio. Believe the article itself, which talks about how urbanized it is. The sentence about elevation could be improved a little. I am going to decline to say anything about the suspicion of a drug reference. Dgndenver (talk) 06:54, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 August 2019, regarding Baguio's Köppen climate classification
The subtropical highland (Cwb) classification in the climate section is incorrect, it should be tropical monsoon (Am). Syphenix (talk) 22:18, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Maranello10 (talk) 17:00, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 August 2019
Please change "is a mountain resort city located in Northern Luzon, Philippines" into "is a city in the mountainous area of the Northern Luzon, Philippines" because Baguio City is a city and not a resort. I was born and raised in this city. Here's a reference:   Orlynhangway (talk) 14:18, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅Hariboneagle927 (talk) 23:26, 21 August 2019 (UTC)