Talk:Baháʼí Faith and education

merge
Why would you want to merge it? The point is to not let the main Baha'i page expand too much, but to link to subtopics (like the major teachings).Dawud 03:57, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree. This is a sub-topic of Baha'i teachings which can be expanded enough to need its own page. Cunado19 05:36, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

---Yes, if the main page gets too congested it gets harder to locate the information you want. I think it's better to keep it unmerged.--- -unsigned


 * I'm deleting the merge tag. Whoever put it on hasn't contributed to the discussion Cuñado  [[image:Bahaitemplatestar.png|20px]] -  Talk  07:56, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

issues
Here are a few of the things I want to bring up about this article so far.


 * 1) Obviously the quotes are pretty long and there are a lot of them. As I edit I'll try to look for opportunities to shorten quotes as much as possible to stick to the main point and not bog down the article.
 * 2) I want to say again that this is not a place to analyze arguments of theology or present theories or perceived discrepancies. Some of the criticisms here are more general arguments of education and not specific to the Baha'i Faith. Already it's obviously trying to point to the Baha'i writings as contradictory, and some of the issues brought up have simple answers. It seems like a contradiction is something for the apologetics page and not this page. I'll delete or change the loaded paragraphs, and I don't think it's a propaganda issue.
 * 3) The quote from Abdu'l Baha about teaching multiple languages is not really referenced. Some Baha'i quotes aren't well referenced on other pages, but for obvious reasons I would say this must have a good reference or it will be deleted. Who translated it and why? If it's an unofficial translation by some hillbilly then Baha'is don't regard it as anything at all. What were the circumstances of this letter? who was it written to and why? Is it available online?

Cunado19 15:56, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, the quotes are too long and there are too many of them. Mea culpa. What happened is, I found it easier to just copy a big long list of Baha'i education quotes, and then move them into various categories. Prune away, please.


 * I'm really not that interested in analyzing educational discrepencies. General comments can help place aspects of Baha'i education in some kind of context, but by all means, edit away if you don't like something.


 * Yes, the citation system is a mess. Sorry, here's what happened. See that link at the bottom to an UHJ compilation? That's the source I copied from. Unfortunately it's not real well referenced. A lot of stuff gives a page number from "Lights of Guidance" or something rather than the name of a text--or worse yet, the dread phrase "translated from the Persian" (as if that were particularly distinctive). I suggest that the thing to do is wait until the page has settled down to its ideal size, then use the "search" function to look up where these quotes came from.


 * Love the additions on actual education projects. Don't stop! Dawud 06:20, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

I understand the "copy all the quotes and prune down" idea. I thought that's what you were doing. Other quotes I've used in other places have bad references, like (on behalf of Shoghi Effendi). I was talking about that specific one about teaching many languages because it is used to point out a contradiction.

I'll check out the link later and do some more on this page, but just a warning, it won't be for at least a week cause I'm leaving town.

BTW, I looked around wikipedia for a guide on how to format quotes and didn't really find anything. I started using the same format everywhere just cause I liked it, so if you have a better suggestion...


 * "This is a quote. It's a great quote, in fact I think it's the best quote I've ever heard."
 * (whoever said the quote, the book in italic, p. 175)

If the source is not in that format, sometimes I put this...


 * "This is a quote, and truly a great and quotable quote."
 * Somebody famous in italic, (1943)

See ya Cunado19 16:35, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * OK you guys are doing a lot of work on wikipedia so know you're stuff fine, but my personal opinion: as few verbatim quotes as possible - instead sumarise. Why? Its easier to read, and no-one cares what an old man said 90 years ago - they want to know what people do and believe. Sure, state your source, but don't need to quote it. Anyone can quote writings - what people want are facts about how its interpretted. Again, this is just a single wikipedian's thoughts. -- Tomhab 22:37, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

massive review of education and girls
I suggest integration of this source in many places including here.... which mentions for example the case of the Baha'is in Iran vs Iran in general - "This school is credited with producing the "first generation of professional women in Iranian society" and was later nationalized by the Shah. In 1973, the Bahá'í community reported 100 percent literacy among women under 40, despite a national literacy rate of 15 percent (Hanson Vick in Boyles 1999) ((with an extensive Bibliography at the end.)) The only hard part people will have with including the source is that the font structure had something odd for copy and paste.--Smkolins (talk) 12:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)