Talk:Baháʼí pilgrimage

Use of images
I'd be careful just adding images willy-nilly. I'm not sure the new addition really is valid as "fair use". Someones put hard work into that image. Please note the tag says there is no image that "could be created that would adequately give the same information". I don't believe this to be true. -- Tomhab 13:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, while the Baha'i media bank is available, we should not be moving any picture to Wikipedia that is possible. We should only bring in a picture when it is definitely needed.  -- Jeff3000 17:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, but is there maybe a way to change the licence to a better one? Wiki-uk 09:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Not really, the Baha'i media bank pictures can only be used as fair use/promotional images, and thus their use is limited as they are still copyrighted. We need to have pictures taken by people who release them under the GFDL. -- Jeff3000 14:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * BTW, do people think it would be appropriate to put an image of the current site of the House of the Bab as it looks now (i.e. the mosque, road and electricity conductor)? I have a couple pictures which I took last June. In terms of the safety of the Faith, the government is well aware of the location of the site, and there is nothing left there for the government to destroy. It's actually not even that dangerous to visit, since one can simply walk through the site on the way to Shah-Cheragh, which is a tourist attraction. It's on a busy road.NicholasJB (talk) 10:32, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure. We should point to the persecution article to help establish context. MARussellPESE (talk) 01:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Nicholas, do you have more relevant images from Iran available? On Commons I saw that you uploaded three of them until now: House of the Báb, Shaykh Tabarsi and Mah-Ku. Wiki-uk (talk) 16:20, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * What do mean, specifically, by more relevant pictures? For some places, I might not want to upload pictures due to their sensitivity. The House of the Bab is already destroyed, so there's no further damage that can occur to it. Likewise, the Shrine of Shaykh Tabarsi is a Muslim shrine and the Fortress of Mah-Ku is a ruin that is not well-kept anyway. The room where the Bab stayed was demolished and replaced with a blue mosque.NicholasJB (talk) 20:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

in line citations
Just a note to say thanks for responding to my note requesting that the references are converted into in-line citations. Who knows I might even start editing Baha'i pages again! :) AndrewRT(Talk) 22:01, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

League of Nations
This was the particular paragraph I was concerned about:


 * During the 1920s the house was confiscated by Shí'ih authorities, who were hostile to the Bahá'í Faith. The Council of the League of Nations upheld the Bahá'í's claim to the house, but it has not yet been returned to the Bahá'í community.

I've found a copy of the source on h-bahai - http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/docs/vol8/House.htm. The relevant section from Toynbee's book is excerpted there together with Shoghi Effendi's responses at the time. I suggest that Toynbee's account is the more relevant and independent. Page 120 of his account states:

"The Baha'is had no sooner revealed their sentiment for the houses in question ((previously hiding their significance)) than the Shiih community in Baghdad ... by threatening a disturbance of the public peace prevailed upon King Faisal to give an illegal personal order to the Governor of Baghdad to evict the Baha'is from the houses ... the matter was finally brought before the Court of Appeal at Baghdad ... which decided in favour of the plaintiffs (the Shi'ih)... the Permanent Mandates Commission ... recommended the Council ... ask the British Government to make representations to the Iraq Government with a view to the immediate redress to the denial of justice from which the petitioners had suffered... approved by the Council ((of the League of Nations))  on 4/3/1929...the utmost concession that the British government were able to obtain from the Iraqi government was that the Baha'i houses should be expropriated by the state ... set apart for public utility ... '''this was accepted by the Baha'is ... who reluctantly agreed to a solution which they themselves did not regard as just'''"

I suggest the paragraph is reworded as follows:

When freedom of religion was proclaimed in the Anglo-Iraqi Treaty, Abdul-Baha decided that the Baha'i community should renovate the Baha'i properties in Baghdad and openly practise their religion. However, leaders of the local Shi'a population reacted against this and appealed to King Faisal I of Iraq for ownership of the properties. Iraq courts found in their favour, despite over a hundred representations from the British Mandatory Power and the Council of the League of Nations describing it as a "denial of justice". Since then the House of Baha'u'llah has been used as a hostel for pilgims visiting the Al Kadhimiya Mosque.

What do you think? AndrewRT(Talk) 23:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I think your proposed rewording is a good idea, and I support it. Rreini (talk) 23:55, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

"Shí'ih"
Not sure where this form comes from, since it's not really either English or Arabic... AnonMoos (talk) 22:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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mention of pilgrims
Seems to me we could stand to add mention of the historical pilgrimages as are documents in more or less details as fits the article. Lua Getsinger, Thornton Chase, Stanwood Cobb; and I'm sure many others. I suppose the later pilgrims could be referenced by a group category. Thoughts? Smkolins (talk) 14:52, 5 October 2017 (UTC)