Talk:Bahadur Shah Zafar

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The text and the "epitaph" translation need a lot of work. For starters, it is presented as being made up of quatrains rather than couplets... &mdash;iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 01:56, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I really needed someone who is a native Urdu speaker to do so. I can understand Urdu to some extent, but I guess someone more familiar with the language needs to look into it. I knew about the poem, which really moved me quite a lot. So I googled and found this version. Feel free to edit it to correct the language/transliteration. Thanks again. --Ragib 02:09, 18 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I think the texts in the article require reorganization in more sections. I will soon suggest one - say in a day or two. All the existing materials shall continue to be there - only sections will be created. Please suggest. --Bhadani 2 July 2005 18:26 (UTC)

Nice article, but I think it could be longer. More about Bahadur and the Mutiny in particular - his attitude towards it, level of involvement, etc. (For example, afterwards the British accused him of having helped plan it and produced evidence that he had been in communication with the Afghans urging them to invade India and throw the British out - yet when the mutineers first appeared at the walls of the Red Fort his immediate reaction was to order the gates shut and ask the British to shoot them!). More also on Bahadur's discovery by Indian nationalists, who made him a hero whereas the British made him a villain - both attempts at manipulating the poor man, though for quite different purposes. A little more on his time in Rangoon and the attitude towards him as a saint, expressed by the current status of his tomb as a place of pilgrimage. And I'd like a really expert assessment of Bahadur as a poet - is he really that good? Incidentally, I question some statements in this article - I don't think his sons and grandson were executed in front of him - they were captured separately and shot because the British officers were afraid the crowd was going to riot. But a good article. PiCo 01:01, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


 * there are a lot of distorted facts. the facts are to be properly given. You cannot re-write history... it's what it is...47.15.195.48 (talk) 20:01, 17 October 2016 (UTC)Pritha

-StudiousDK 12:15, 15th June 2022 (IST)
 * Hey I found the article really informative but when we click the hyperlink King of Delhi then it goes to the Rebellion of 1857 page. I hope it gets fixed.

Image
The previous image didnt had sourced. Got a sourced image and confirmed that it can be use for non-commercial purposes. --Aravind Parvatikar 12:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Any image of Bahadur Shah is in Public /domain. He died 150 years ago. No country's copyright extends so long. --Ragib 15:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Jurisdiction

 * I dont think the regions of kashmir, punjab were in mogul control by the time of Bahadur Shah Zafar.

Many regions had stopped paying taxes/tribute to moguls by then, and had declared indipendence or and other powers like gurkhas, sikhs, rajputs, british were gaining strength. Punjab as it had been in a chaotic ungoverned state for a while, This should be highlighted, ie the deccan failure, rise of maratha, gurkha, sikhs, jatts, and the growing british presence. 70.111.113.100 18:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC) just a reader
 * Your thinking about the de facto jurisdiction of the last Mughal is almost right. However, he continued to remained the de jure emperor of India, and hence the foreign powers had to finsih him and his family completely, and only then they could make India a part of their empire. --Bhadani 16:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Line of text removed from article
BTW need information on Yaar Mohammad a courtier of Bahadur shah zafar who fled delhi during the 1857 sepoy mutiny

WikiProject Afghanistan
Article was under WikiProject Afghanistan, I have amended to WikiProject Pakistan. As the last of the Mughals he is an important historical figure in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, but not Afghanistan.

Pahari Sahib 18:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Epitaph
I removed the Urdu version of his epitaph because, while I like seeing original-language equivalents where it's useful, I think this goes a little too far. Frankly I don't know if the poem itself is particularly encyclopedic, but to print it three times is definitely excessive, which is why I am cutting it to talk.

In Roman Transliteration ''Lagta nahiin hai jii mera ujray dayar mein ''Kis kii banii hai aalam-e-na-payedar mein

Bulbul ko passba'n say na sayyad say gila Kismat main qaid likhi thi fasl-e-bahaar mein

''Kah do in hasarataun se kahiin aur jaa basen ''Itani jagah kahan hai dil-e-daaghdaar mein

''Ik shaakh-e-gul pe beth ke bulbull ''Kaante bicha detay hain dil-e-lala zar mein

''Umr-e-daraaz maang ke laaye thay chaar din ''Do aarzu mein kat gaye, do intezaar mein

''Din zindagi ke khatam huwey, shaam hogyi ''Phaila ke paa'on soyiengay, kunj mazaar mai

''Hai kitna bad-nasiib Zafar, dafn ke liye Do gaz zamiin bhii na milii ku-ye yaar mein 

In Urdu The Urdu version is the full version taken from.

لگتا نہیں ہے جی میرا اُجڑے دیار میں کس کی بنی ہے عالمِ ناپائیدار میں  بُلبُل کو پاسباں سے نہ صیاد سے گلہ قسمت میں قید لکھی تھی فصلِ بہار میں  کہہ دو اِن حسرتوں سے کہیں اور جا بسیں اتنی جگہ کہاں ہے دلِ داغدار میں  اِک شاخ گل پہ بیٹھہ کے بُلبُل کانٹے بِچھا دیتے ہیں دل لالہ زار میں  عمرِ دراز مانگ کے لائے تھے چار دِن دو آرزو میں کٹ گئے، دو اِنتظار میں  دِن زندگی کے ختم ہوئے شام ہوگئی<BR> پھیلا کے پائوں سوئیں گے کنج مزار میں<BR> <BR> ہے کِتنا بدنصیب ظفر، دفن کے لئیے<BR> دو گز زمین بھی نہ ملی کوئے یار میں<BR> <BR>

Urdu:<BR> ''Zafar aadmi usko na jaaneye gaa, ho woh kitna hi saahib-e fehm-o zakaa;<BR> ''Jisey eish mein yaad-e Khuda na rahee, jisey teish mein khaof-e Khuda na rahaa.

Biruitorul 02:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

why is a HINDI version of his poem written there? he certainly didn't write it in hindi he wrote it in Urdu o_O --Uchohan (talk) 06:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

The devnagari, not hindi, version made the poem accessible to a large group of people who will be interested in knowing about Zafar. I suggest that the poem be represented in urdu, roman urdu, and in hindi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.195.38.254 (talk) 16:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

My issue with the epitaph section is that the formatting is INSANE. Is there any way of cleaning it up short of removing it from the article entirely? The only way any of it displays correctly in a browser is if you've got the window taking up the full screen, and on a mobile browser it is an absolute mess. Could the poem be re-formatted in the style of the couplet earlier in the article, with the different languages interlineally instead of posted in columns? Since Zafar didn't write it, it seems a bit out of place to begin with, but that's not my call. -Evansknight (talk) 15:37, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

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role of bahadur shah jafer
jatts only.khehra boys —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.96.148.109 (talk) 13:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Problems with the intro
As soon as I saw this article I knew the intro needed a rewrite. There are lots of problems. The main one is that it reads like a romantnic tale of the personal greatness of the man, rather than a dispassionate summary of the article. And the excessive block quotes (in languages other than English, no less!) have to go. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 05:52, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Lead

 * lead has been rewritten,and will be made more suitable.I think now there is no need of the the tag.Justice007 (talk) 11:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Treason?
As a (nominal) sovereign, who exactly was he found guilty of treason against? Had he pledged allegience of some sort to the East India Company? --Jfruh (talk) 17:05, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Descendants
There are many who claim to be the descendants of the royal Mughals. Clearly some of the claims must be true, since there were numerous members of the family alive in the time of Zafar. Many claims obviously false. Perhaps somebody should sort out the information:


 * The Timurid Dynasty GENEALOGY
 * Amongst the many false claiments to Mughal descent is a woman named Sultana Begum of Calcutta

Malaiya (talk) 20:45, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

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Bahadur Shah II(Urdu: بہادر شاہ), usually referred to by his poetic title Bahadur Shah Zafar (Persian pronunciation: [bahɑːduɾ ʃɑːh zafaɾ]; Zafar lit. Victory) was born Mirza Abu Zafar Siraj-ud-din Muhammad (24 October 1775 – 7 November 1862) and was the twentieth and last Mughal Emperor as well as an Urdu poet. He was the second son[4] and the successor to his father, Akbar II, who died on 28 September 1837. He was a titular Emperor, as the Mughal Empire existed in name only and his authority was limited only to the walled city of Old Delhi (Shahjahanbad). Following his involvement in the Indian Mutiny of 1857, the British exiled him to Rangoon in British-controlled Burma in 1858, after convicting him on several charges. 2400:ADC7:92F:A400:74AA:726E:3E80:D109 (talk) 15:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Bahadur Shah Zafar in revolt of 1857
Bahadur shah Zafar was born mirza Abu zafer siraz-ud-din Muhammad and was the twentieth and last Mughal emperor as well as an Urdu poet. 182.69.54.25 (talk) 13:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)