Talk:Bai Ling

Copyright
The content in this article is identically the same as that in, even thought the website doesn't claim the copyright clearly. Is that alright? --Yacht 04:04, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)


 * Oh, i've checked out the copyright. it's allow to be licenced to GFDL. --Yacht 04:07, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)

Why is the article confined to a text?
Can someone post a picture. Bai Ling looks beautiful on picture in her earlier days. Can someone find an earlier picture? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harvarder (talk • contribs) 26 April 2005 (UTC)

Pictures were posted but removed Colbfi (talk) 08:33, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

LGBT
May she be included in the "bisexual actors" category please? 8/28/6 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.231.249.141 (talk) 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * added. Calicore 04:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Since Ms Bai gave at least one interview saying that she was bisexual plus above it says it is a LGBT article I can't figure out Y no "LGBT people" or "bisexual people" or similar listin in the groups at bottom of the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.31.248 (talk) 19:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Go Fug Yourself?
"Additionally, Go Fug Yourself has documented Bai numerous times appearing publicly in revealing outfits that happen to "slip" and show her nipples in pictures, despite the fact that she was attending as a guest at events with no overt sexual content"

Is the author trying to insinuate here that Bai Ling dresses in revealing outfits to attract attention at events where she is not a featured star? Even if she does, she'd hardly be the only actress to do so and I don't see how this belongs in a "Controversy" section. --Funkmistress 17:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The following references mention it as happening (too) frequent. Please remove this edit if its not OK to refer this pages. Previously I was referring directly to the images but this was NOR and it was forbidden by the Wikipedia Bosses. Can it be added to the article mentioning one of the articles below as reference?
 * http://www.mahalo.com/Bai_Ling_Nipple_Slip
 * http://www.theinsider.com/news/266216_Bai_Ling_Nipple_Slip_Number_Six
 * http://www.egotastic.com/entertainment/celebrities/bai-ling/bai-ling-nipple-slip-number-six-002616 LingBaiWu (talk) 15:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Including Star Wars in Filmography
If she was cut from Episode III, should it still be included in her filmography? I would think not. --feitclub 11:12, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Yet she did act in a few scenes for the movie, and presumably she was paid for her work. Add to that the fact that she appears in some of the deleted scenes on the Episode III DVD. &mdash; EagleOne\Talk 03:24, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

This article has too many links, is too confusing, and in some parts unsubstantiated.

Chegdu is the capital City of the Sichuan region - therefore it is incorrect to say she moved from Chengdu to Sichuan (a bit like saying someone moved from London to England!).

I think the author should take note of her unpopularity within Chinese audiences.

You're talking about Wiki, accuracy is not typical of many articles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.31.248 (talk) 19:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

What Does This Mean?
"...and the combination of Ling and a surname is very common."

Um...aren't ALL personal names, every one of them, always used in combination with a surname? OF COURSE a common personal name will be commonly used in combination with a surname. What is trying to be said here? -- Charlene 12:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe that is just saying that "Ling" is a common personal name in China. -- Huntster  T • @ • C 01:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Based on personal knowledge of someone who knew her back in Sichuan growing up, she was more likely born between 1962 and 1964. She has a younger brother (not according to her quoted birthday) who was born in 1969. She was in the children's art group in Chengdu. Her father teaches at Sichuan University. When she came to the United States she was traveling and performing as a dancer. I saw her perform for a local Chinese New Year celebration in early 93 or 94 and she did not look 23 or 24 then. Taipan525 00:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Her age
There are many versions about her birth year: 1961, 1963, 1968, and 1970, as of 2007. Check this image out:. It's a movie shot in 1985. You may barely believe that she was 15 then, if you cannot tell the age of an oriental woman easily. But as a Chinese, I believe she looks more 24 than 15 on that picture. Also think about her role in her first movie On the Beach, as a country girl who became a worker, fought against her father's will for her to marry her cousin, and fall in love with another young man. Chinese authority would not possibly allow a "14 year old girl" to act like that in early 1980's. She must be over her 20s then. --Mongol 19:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

http://www.sc.xinhuanet.com/content/2005-11/21/content_5638001.htm

Also why is her participation in the Tianamen Square protests in question? Over a million people particpated in Beijing alone, not to mention the other hundreds of thousands around the country, its not exactly like it would have exactly been very hard to do, or that they were restricted to a select group.
 * She went to Moscow Movie Festival in July of 1989, one month after the massacre, thus is more likely that she behaved "properly" according to the authority where she worked. I did participate in that protest, but I don't think she did. --Mongol (talk)

The article pointing to her age isn't a reliable source. If this was the Chinese Wikipedia (or if the source could be translated into English), maybe it would be. But being that this is the English Wikipedia, it would be better if the source of her birth year was from an article written in English. Anthony Rupert 16:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Foreign language sources are perfectly acceptable. • Lawrence Cohen  17:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. And of course the source can be translated into English. BTW, I just put that piece of information on Chinese Wikipedia. Now it's sync'ed. --Mongol (talk) 21:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! What is the rough translation, by the way? Would you mind putting it down in an English sentence here so that I can add it inside of the tags? Lawrence Cohen  21:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * What translation? I was just replying "if the source could be translated into English". Yes it could. But what are you asking? To translate that whole article? That's too much. Or you mean just the line about her birth year? It was "(something about her siblings)... 网上介绍白灵生于1968年，但白玉祥告诉记者，白灵生于1961年10月，今年已经44岁. " which means "It's said on the internet that Bai Ling was born in 1968, but Bai Yuxiang (her father) told the reporter that Bai Ling was born in Oct 1961, and thus (she is) 44 years old this year already." --Mongol (talk) 00:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Her fan site, http://www.bai-ling.org/, claims that she was born on 10 October 1970. Q43 (talk) 00:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Given that many actresses still lie about their ages, I would in general take the family's over hers. (Original Chinese article, Translated by Google)
 * However, does anyone know the reliability of the source site? (sc.xinhuanet.com aka www.news.cn) Is it a reliable news source, or more of a gossip rag?
 * —MJBurrage(T•C) 19:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

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Bai Ling knew Kevin Rose and Alex Albrecht weren't a gay couple
I saw the Screen Savers episode with Bai Ling and I thought it was obvious she knew the hosts weren't a gay couple and instead was only poking fun. I've corrected it in the article, but if others think she was genuinely confused, speak up!

Bai Ling or Ling Bai
Shouldn't the name of this article be Bai Ling. I have never heard or seen her referenced as Ling Bai. If she wanted to be known as Ling Bai, wouldn't she have informed someone by now? 132.239.1.230 02:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. WP:NC-CHINA. -LlywelynII (talk) 14:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't know what the style is for Chinese people, but I do know what the Manual of Style for Japan-related article says in these circumstances: "For a modern figure (a person born from the first year of Meiji (1868) onward), always use the Western order of given name + family name for Western alphabet". So I'm guessing then Bai Ling is probably the preferred format. Tabercil 03:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Which doesn't matter because Japan and China are entirely separate cultures. -LlywelynII (talk) 14:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Her given name is Ling and surname is Bai. Ling Bai should be the right form in English —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.208.95.86 (talk) 08:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It isn't. WP:NC-CHINA. -LlywelynII (talk) 14:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Bai Ling should be the correct way. Most of her movies, appearances, ect. have her credited as Bai Ling not 'Ling Bai' not to mention the precedence set by the Zhang Ziyi, Gong Li, and Utada Hikaru (ect.) articles. Calicore 17:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In America It would be Ling Bai, same as say Brad Pitt. But in China it would be Bai Ling, or Pitt Brad. But when it comes to things like actors musicians and so on. In the different countries the tend to use the name in the same order. For instance if you go see a brad pitt movie in china, it lists him as brad pitt and not pitt brad, even though they use surname first then given name. Which is why since she started her acting in china as Bai Ling once she came here we use it that way. even though some american films credit her as Ling Bai which is the proper way for it English speaking people use it.Rogue Gremlin 20:12, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No, in America, it's Bai Ling. In China, it's Bai Ling. It's always Bai Ling, unless she gets a Western name (like "Ruby" or "Mary"), at which point it follows Western conventions. -LlywelynII (talk) 14:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It is Bai Ling not Ling Bai examples: Mao, CKS, Yao Ming, Gong Li, Jiang Zemin
 * If a western name was in use it is western name, surname, if not it is surname, given name. As many Cantonese stars use awestern name it is often western name, surname, given name, ie Bill Wong Lee  Bill = western name, Wong = surmame, Lee = given name (yes 3 names) plus often a translation into a semi Pinyin ie Wong Lee to Wang Li  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.239.31.248 (talk) 19:08, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Which is confusing. Nowadays, it's more common that they'll be Li Xiaolong in China and Bruce Lee in the West, not Bruce Lee Xiaolong. -LlywelynII (talk) 14:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Chinese names usually include the family name (always before the name) and the name. Which, in this case, is Bai(family name) and Ling (name). You don't change the order. Usually. And, most important, you cannot call her "Bai" as if it was her given name, cause it would sound strange in chinese. You just say Bai Ling or Miss Bai. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tickettofly (talk • contribs) 12:17, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Synthesis
The following appears to be (logical) synthesis, or needs attribution and sourcing from RS that performed this analysis. TableManners 06:59, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Many of the events in Bai's past have only been verified by Bai herself; her past in China is especially in doubt. No independent source besides Ling has verified her claims of her time spent in the Chinese army. The same is true of her time spent in New York as a visiting scholar, when her age would have made her a suspiciously young candidate for such an honor, especially given the paucity of her academic achievements. Finally, her participation in the Tiananmen Square protests would have been quite remarkable, given the fact that she attended the 1989 Moscow International Film Festival one month later as a member of an official Chinese movie group.

Year of birth
This was all messed up, alternately reporting the wrong year, and even amazingly the wrong GENDER for Bai Ling. I've fixed it all. 1961 is what we will be reporting, as that is what her own father is cited as saying her year of birth is. Her father is the definitive authority on the subject, obviously. Also, she couldn't possibly have been born in 1970, as she was doing things during the Cultural Revolution that began in 1966. That would be a fantastic prenatal achievement, if she were born in 1970. • Lawrence Cohen  17:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

''' Why do people keep reverting her age back to the discredited 1970 ?? If her driving license when arrested said 1966, then that is her age, period. As she has not been charged with falsifying her US Citizenship application then we can presume that she also used this age then also. To keep changing it back to 1970 is to say that Bai Ling is in possession of a fake Driving License - not only that, but one that states she is 4 years OLDER than her agent claims (unlikely huh). As Bai Ling has not been charged with anything related to falsifying identities, then we can safely say that the US Authorities are satisfied with her date of birth being 1966.'''

I'm removing all of that extra stuff from her birth year column. Many reputable sources, including her drivers license, state 1966. --Starbucks95905 (talk) 07:00, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Many actors/actresses have their dates of birth listed incorrectly on various sites. Most of these alternate dates are unreliably sourced, so I am removing them all for the sake of simplicity. magnius (talk) 09:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

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Women soldiers

 * Why is she in Category:Women soldiers? Does serving in the PLA as an "artist soldier" and entertaining in the musical theater, or briefly serving as an Army nurse, really make her a "soldier" for the purposes of the category? jSarek (talk) 21:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The term soldier refers to a member of the land component of the armed forces. Army personnel is listed as a subcategory of soldiers, and as she was an army nurse, she is thus part of army personnel. Hence, she is a soldier for the purposes of this category. Asarelah (talk) 00:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Bisexuality
Bai Ling has come out as bisexual, as revealed on this link at GLAAD. As a bisexual person, I find the statements by the person who keeps reverting these edits not only inaccurate (in that, her coming-out hardly lacks sources) but also offensive, in that it keeps being referred to as "negative content" and that some arbitrary "important to their lives" criteria is being applied here that is not applied with other biographical labels. We should keep the info as it is sourced, and also evaluate whether people who see bisexuality as a negative thing are the ones to be policing sexuality labels on Wikipedia. Beggarsbanquet (talk) 09:39, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, in reviewing the criteria on Biographies of Living Persons categorization, the "relevance to life" criterion is actually not listed. All that matters is that the person publicly identifies as bisexual, which she clearly does, given the above link. Beggarsbanquet (talk) 09:47, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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Age and Dates
According to the current version of the article, she was born in 1966, graduated high school in 1978 at age 12, served in the army and was in a mental hospital, being released from the hospital in 1981, age 15. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT. Seven Pandas (talk) 14:29, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

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世界上最美麗的女人
世界上最美麗的女人 Soo true 174.251.192.190 (talk) 00:43, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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