Talk:Baile Bhuirne

Ballyvourney
I'm from Macroom and go out in Ballyvourney quite a lot, and never heard the village refered to as Baile Bhuirne, not even by locals. I strongly think it should Ballyvourney. Ceoil (talk) 20:54, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This is similar to the Dingle / Daingean issue. The village is in the Gaeltacht. By law, the Irish language name has precedence. Officialy, Ballyvourney is just a local name. To me, the Law trumps local usage. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:38, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What Law? What are you taking about. Daingean and Spiddal were extreamly divisive, and certainly neither gave enough consensus to set any precedent. Ceoil (talk) 21:49, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The Law is the "Official Languages Act 2003". Quoting from a Seanad debate of Wednesday, 15 June 2011: "The official name of Dingle was changed to An Daingean in 2004 by an order of the Minster for Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs under the Official Languages Act 2003. The English language version then ceased to have legal force.". While the name has been changed again by Ministerial order, the point is that until that time, the official name of the town was "An Daingean" despite lots of local, possibly even exclusive, use of the name "Dingle".It is Wiki policy to support officially recognised names while providing re-directs to other widely used names. That's why Bail Bhuirne should have the primary address. I accept however, that my cut 'n' paste was not the best method to achieve this aim. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:23, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks for clarifying, but that really has nothing to do with this wiki page. Fine, there was a very specific campaing by the counselors of Dingle to change the name of the town back to the gaelac, and frankly with both An Daingean and Spiddal I would see an argument for retitling the article. I'm not fluent but have a good grasp and my parents are, and as I say I have a lot of friends from around Ballyvourney and they all would be near native speakers. But the town is always called Ballyvourney, weather or which language we talk in; its seen as pretentious and unfashionably nationalist to go back to the old words (north kerry is unusually sinn fein, which drove that, to the rest of us, embarrasing campain). And I question your spelling of "Baile Bhuirne"; does not look like a mid cork dialect to me. Ceoil (talk) 13:42, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, note this is the engish wiki. Ceoil (talk)
 * THis is the English Wiki, but even here, Seanad Éireann is still the primary address, not "Senate of Ireland" and Oireachtas is still the primary address, not the "Irish parliament". Why? Because the Constituion - the Law - says so and Wiki follows the Law. Also, have a look at Google maps. They now go to street level, even for this village. On the road from Macroom to Baile Bhuirne you'll see the official welcome sign - as Gaeilge. Did you never notice it on your tours? Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Just noticed that that link did not go to the precise location. The x/y co-ords are 51.934876 -9.1372 Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I laughed when I read the phrase "On the road from Macroom to Baile Bhuirne" cause its just so ridicilous; like something an ill-informed american tourist or retarded Dublin news correspondent would say. I'm not sure what your agenda is, trying to title villages with names they are never refered to by, quoting Law with a capial L, spouting irrlevant Dublin Seanad rubbish which according to you trumps local usage (or something, your logic is both confused and ridiculous, and I forget). You either have a misguided agenda or are a fool; either way I don't care and you'll get no traction here, so bye. Ceoil (talk) 15:35, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * As this debate has degenerated to an ad hominum diatribe and logic has been abandoned, it's best that I too withdraw and present the case to the WikiProject Ireland forum. I find it ironic that one who's username is Ceoil should be so lacking in harmony. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:59, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Harmony and letting this kind of things slide are two different things. 18:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Whatevs. Discussion logged on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Your right, I let it get to me and I apologise. I'm fine with a second openion, and I dont presume to always be right. Your contribs indicate a fairly skilled editor, you seem ok, no hard feeling to you. Ceoil (talk) 20:32, 4 September 2011 (UTC)