Talk:Bailey's Taproom/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: BuySomeApples (talk · contribs) 23:51, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @BuySomeApples Putting this discussion on your radar, just in case. There was some shenanigans over at the Good article nomination for another restaurant article nominated by me. Sharing on the off chance you were contacted as well. Thanks, looking forward to addressing any concerns you may have re: Good article eligibility. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know about this that's really weird! I'll respond there because this keeps getting stranger. BuySomeApples (talk) 05:44, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, very weird and very icky. I do not appreciate people targeting me in this way. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:56, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Lead

 * Can we change the first line from "Popular among beer aficionados, and visited by tourists," > "It was a popular destination for craft beer tourism,"
 * "it was noted as having a meaningful influence on the city's beer culture in this period ." Also, is it possible to talk more about how the might have influenced or altered Portland's beer culture? Outside of hosting events, this isn't that clear in the article. If it is mostly referring to the bar's centrality and popularity, than maybe change the line to something like: "it was a noted promoter of the city's beer culture."
 * I've made these changes for now, in an attempt to make the lead more consistent with other restaurant GAs I've promoted. Another editor actually drafted this lead. I've removed the "beer culture" bit, but kept the link to craft beer tourism per your suggestion. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:52, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The Upper Lip is mentioned in the lead, the part about the bar's closure, and the Reception. Is it possible to add any more information about it?
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:10, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Reception

 * The paragraph on coverage by the Willamette Week could probably be condensed. Could you add a summary sentence like "The Willamette Week named the establishment one of the best bars in Portland on several occasions." Quotes and additional descriptions of the bar by journalists can be kept, as well as the reader's poll.
 * I've made these changes. I kept mention of Matthew Korfhage's 2018 list since this one's for the entire state of Oregon, not just Portland. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:55, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The part about the bar being the first to install the DigitalPour software is interesting, and should probably be added to the main part of the article along with a year for when this was.
 * I didn't want to interfere with User:Alalch E.'s changes to the article. I agree, the DigitalPour bit is interesting, but I didn't go into too much detail since DigitalPour is not a notable topic. I'm actually OK with Alalch E.'s changes to the article, but if you feel strongly about adding more detail to the article's prose, I'm open to specific suggestions from either of you. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:57, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Clarity

 * "During the COVID-19 pandemic, Bailey's operated in Ankeny Square and via delivery.[22]" This line isn't that clear to readers, did the bar move to Ankeny or temporarily open some kind of pop-up there in addition to delivery?
 * Ankeny Square is a nearby outdoor space. I'm not sure if Bailey's had an outdoor pop-up, or if wait staff just walked over drinks from the brick and mortar bar, since people couldn't drink in the venue itself. Here, delivery generally refers to food delivery. I've added this link, but if you have any specific suggestion re: Ankeny Square, I'm all ears! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:02, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * "the taproom also served a few rare and unusual beers from further afield." Is it possible to be more specific than this? Ref1 (The Great American Ale Trail) says that bar stocked beers from Oregon and sometimes California or Washington, that can be used if it's a representative geographic range.
 * Ref 15 is not more specific, but I've changed to "California and Washington" per Ref 1 (your suggestion), along with the inline citation. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:05, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Excessive quotations
This is more a personal nitpick than a major issue, but it would be nice to use fewer quotes and more original phrasing in the "Description" and "History" section. Some of the quotes seem generic enough that it should be easy to summarize in your own words. BuySomeApples (talk) 00:30, 9 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I hope this helps a bit. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:09, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Also, I've uploaded a few Flickr images to Wikimedia Commons. I've added a few more here for illustrative purposes. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:59, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you I think this one is ready to promote! BuySomeApples (talk) 07:06, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Good to know that the Good Article Status has nothing to do with being a good article but just with ticking of a checklist. The way my sincere concerns are waved away, makes a joke of the process. The Banner talk 08:07, 9 January 2023 (UTC)