Talk:Bajo Nuevo Bank

Why did I insert the POV (neutrality/neutral point of view)-tag?
Why did I insert the POV (neutrality/neutral point of view)-tag? I inserted the POV (neutrality/neutral point of view)-tag into this article here because I have the impression that while the article itself may reflect a neutral point of view, the topic itself is either unclear or disputed. -- Citylover 14:24, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
 * This strikes me as a bizarre reason to put the tag on the page. There are plenty of controversial topics out there in the world, and Wikipedia shoudl cover them all. The tag implies that someone has a specific gripe about this article's treatment of the topic, which isn't the case. --Jfruh 18:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Please include the coordinates
Please include the coordinates here if you can find them. I tried to find the Bajo Nuevo Bank under the name "Bajonuevo (Bank)" or "Bajo Nuevo (Bank)" or "Bajo Bank" or "Bajobank" in the International Atlas (Rand McNally), but I could not find it. °N, °W -- Citylover 18:28, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

15.85°N, -78.63333°W If you find out that these coordinates are wrong, please remove them from the article Bajo Nuevo Bank and San Andrés and Providencia. I have not checked the information on any other website, written source, atlas or map. -- Citylover 18:52, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
 * In the Wikipedia-article San Andrés and Providencia, I found at least the coordinates for a lighthouse on Bajo Nuevo Bank: "15°51'N, 78°38'W". I introduced this information here with linked coordinates:


 * The information seems to come from here: http://www.luechthuus.de/lt7000/kolumbien.htm. I checked the coordinates for Serranilla Bank on this page with the coordinates for Serranilla Bank I found in the International Atlas (Rand McNally). They are similar but not identical (but this is probably because the coordinates on the page http://www.luechthuus.de/lt7000/kolumbien.htm are the coordinates for the lighthouses (lighthouse=in German: Leuchtturm) and not for the whole islands, so it is normal that they are not the same. Therefore, the coordinate I introduced in this article here (Bajo Nuevo Bank) is the coordinate for a lighthouse on the Bajo Nuevo Bank and not a coordinate for the whole island (provided the coordinate given on the page http://www.luechthuus.de/lt7000/kolumbien.htm is correct). -- Citylover 19:11, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


 * The coordinates of Bajo Nuevo (in general, no specific feature) are given in the Sailing Directions, Caribbean Sea, Vol. II, specifically on page http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/websites/pollux/pollux.nss.nima.mil/NAV_PUBS/SD/pub148/148sec05.pdf, as 15.88333°N, -78.55°W. -- Ratzer 20:07, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Colombia and San Andres and Providencia
I added the following text to the article Bajo Nuevo Bank: " and Colombia which considers Bajo Nuevo Bank as being part of San Andrés and Providencia."

I mentioned Colombia and San Andres and Providencia in the text (see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bajo_Nuevo_Bank&diff=23298857&oldid=23297249), because in the article San Andres and Providencia, Bajo Nuevo Bank is mentioned as being part of Colombia or at least as being claimed to be part by Colombia. Furthermore, in the article about Serranilla Bank, Colombia and San Andres and Providencia was already mentioned, so I thought that it should be mentioned here too. I have no more knowledge about this topic besides having read the articles San Andres and Providencia and Serranilla Bank and another external article (http://areciboweb.50megs.com/fotw/flags/co-sap.html), so please check my edit and remove it if you know it is wrong. I you know the content I added is correct, please remove this section here (the section==Colombia and San Andres and Providencia==). -- Citylover 19:44, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


 * The comments in the section before are now almost obsolete because I changed the whole article fundamentally anyway. Because of that, I formatted the whole text above with such lines. -- Citylover 14:24, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Why did I insert the disputed accuracy-tag?
Why did I insert the disputed accuracy-tag? I inserted the disputed accuracy-tag into this article here because there is only limited online information available about Bajo Nuevo Bank and it seems difficult for me to get clear information on Bajo Nuevo Bank. -- Citylover 12:13, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Really an active US Claim? YES
The UNC webpage University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill — The Serranilla Bank (with picture) and Bajo Nuevo are still claimed by the U.S. says:

"The Serranilla Bank and Bajo Nuevo are still claimed by the U.S.; the U.S. Department of State reiterated the American claim in December 2003. All these islands are also claimed by Nicaragua, and Bajo Nuevo, at least, is claimed by Jamaica."

"Reiterated" is linked to here: US Dept of Interior webpage which does not support the statement on UNC's page. Maybe someone can contact the UNC author for more info? FRS 19:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I spoke to a staffer at the Office of Insular Affairs, Department of the Interior over the telephone who confirmed to me that the US does claim sovereignty over Bajo Nuevo Bank and Serranilla Bank. Canadian Bobby (talk) 20:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Removal of NPOV/Disputed Accuracy
Per WP:POV Cleanup, I am removing both tags. Lack of information should not imply any inaccuracy, nor should a controversial topic imply any slanted POV. As it reads, the article is informative and neutral. -- Irixman (t) (m) 19:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Lighthouse
No one knows who runs the lighthouse, or if it's even running? How is this even possible? Doesn't this kind of thing get written down somewhere? ManicParroT 17:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Crossposted from Serranilla Bank talk page:
 * Okay, I'm going to take the plunge here. I cleaned this article up (somewhat) from the messy state it was in about a month ago. I've read all the sources cited in the article. In respect to these following new sources, which I will cite in the article shortly, it seems that Colombia's de facto sovereignty here (regardless of law), is indisputable.
 * The lighthouse (photos of which can be seen here) has been rebuilt some time during the last decade or so.
 * The "replacement of the lighthouse structures" (of both Serranilla's and Bajo Nuevo Bank's), costs and everything, is detailed in this report by the Ministerio de Defensa Nacional. Date: 2008.
 * And this report, again by the Defence Ministry, talks about replacing the individual lights themselves--again, costs included.
 * I've now edited the article to reflect plainly Colombia's control over the territory. I'm sure this will rile up some sort of argument, but I fail to see how anybody can argue with photographic evidence. Rennell435 (talk) 08:33, 23 October 2009 (UTC)