Talk:Bal-Sagoth

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The article lacks references altogether, which is it's biggest weakness. It also has a trivia section (in list form), which is generally frowned upon on Wikipedia - it should be merged with the rest of the article in appropriate places and in prose. However, it is well written, makes good use of pictures, has an infobox, covers a lot of ground, although some more about their stage act could have been added, and I'm giving it a "B" grade. It needs expansion for a higher grade though. - Duribald 10:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Should this page have a link to long song titles?
Should this page have a link to long song titles like this? ==See also== - Gbeeker 01:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * List of songs with particularly long titles

Mythology expansion
Can anyone expand on the "Mythology" section? I am not too well versed in the lyrical aspect of Bal-Sagoth, but it is a huge part of the band and could use expansion. I started the section with the header, but it could use chapters, maybe by each saga, or album? Skeletor2112 05:41, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Not black metal
I've only heard a few songs, but other people have told me this is not black metal. -69.228.208.254 04:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The guitar's a little thrash and keyboard fanfare's pretty pronounced, but I think most people tend to call them "not black metal" because of the lyrical themes. I'd say the walk the line pretty closely, but their overall style, in my opinion, is black metal. Col.clawhammer 18:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I seriously object to calling them black metal as well. I'll find a source for a different genre later today or tomorrow when I have the time. Can't hurt, seeing as there aren't ANY sources for this article at the moment.

- Listen to the Black Moon Broods over Lemuria or Starfire Burning albums and tell me that it's not black metal. Granted their later albums evolved in a more unique style that doesn't really fall into a one genre, their roots are there. --Col.clawhammer 08:20, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It's certainly not black metal. Symphonic Extreme Metal is the best way to do it, although if the generic "extreme" is not good enough, Symphonic Heavy Metal - simply because it's more hm than bm, even rasps taken into account. It's also incorrect to say they USED to be black metal either. Their debut and demos are pure (and generic) death metal. Lethesl 09:34, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Not black metal, I 3rd the statement. Compared to other bands mentioned right above them in the main black metal article especially. All Music Guide calls Opeth a "symphonic black metal" band too, which I thoroughly disagree with as well.Kgppra17 09:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

"A Black Moon Broods Over Lemuria" is black metal to the core. The extreme croaking vocals, the grinding guitar rhythm parts, the subject matter (slime-drenched underwater castles, sacrifice tombs, reptilian witches, sorcery, nature themes) and the keyboards all put their debut disk squarely in the realm of experimental black metal. It's certainly not powermetal, mostly. It has death metal elements too but most modern black metal does. What do you call "Black Moon Broods" other than black death? But their later releases are much closer to what you'd call black powermetal, and in my opinion far inferior to Black Moon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.203.173 (talk) 08:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

It's black metal. Allmusic agrees: Under "styles", both "black metal" and "symphonic black metal" are listed -- I lean toward the latter. http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:0ifexqtkldte~T1 Wanderingwarrior (talk) 01:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

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Concept Band?
Seems to me that every single album is a concept album. This seems like the band should be more noteworthy or something. Concept isn't a genre, as genre's aren't supposed to be based on lyrics. What was my point again? Oh yeah, is it ok to mention this as a concept band or something?JackorKnave (talk) 18:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced material
The following is unsourced information:


 * Keyboard player/composer/drummer Jonny Maudling, along with a team of composers (including Mirai Kawashima from Japanese avant-garde metal band Sigh), created the music for the upcoming "Massive Multi-Player Online Role Playing Game", or MMORPG Adellion.


 * Vocalist Byron Roberts was for many years the only metal vocalist to be sponsored by an arms and armour supplier, Battle Orders Ltd., who supplied him with swords and other reenactment materials in exchange for his promotion of the company.


 * The Intro to the Bal-Sagoth demo is a sample from the cult movie Masters of the Universe.


 * "Hatheg-Kla"; the intro on the first Bal-Sagoth album (the music for which was actually composed and played by Keith Appleton, the proprietor of Academy Music Studio), and "Return to Hatheg-Kla"; the outro song on The Chthonic Chronicles, are references to the works of H. P. Lovecraft, where Hatheg-Kla is a mountain that the gods visit.


 * In keeping with its Roman conceptual nature, the opening riff to "Blood Slakes The Sand At The Circus Maximus" is almost identical to the beginning of the score to the classic film Spartacus.

While this is interesting, we can't use it unless you provide a source. Also, none of this is really trivia, as trivia by its definition is "unimportant information" - it therefore shouldn't be in a trivia section but instead the information should be incorporated into the main article. - Tbsdy lives (talk) 07:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In a nod to the classic video game Doom, Byron speaks the line "unruly evil" in the song "Beneath The Crimson Vaults of Cydonia". (Unruly Evil is the fourth map of Thy Flesh Consumed). As both that song's lyrics and the game Doom are set on and/or involve Mars and its moons Phobos and Deimos, Byron included the line as a hidden reference for attentive fans to discover.

The Strange Sound of Cthulhu: Music Inspired by the Writings of H. P. Lovecraft
The Strange Sound of Cthulhu: Music Inspired by the Writings of H. P. Lovecraft is a self-published source, which is why I placed an unreliable source tag. This was challenged. Upon consideration, I realized that the only content that this source is being used to support are direct statements by Bryon Roberts, and that is acceptable (the same way an interview on a self-published blog would be). Any other use, though, is not.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 15:19, 20 December 2016 (UTC)