Talk:Balbira and Kalmana

Not to delete.
Seder HaDorot is a real book and the Jewish tradition does hold that each of these children was born with a twin. This should be checked out before trashing.Joe407 (talk) 14:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I will remove the speedy tags for now. But you must supply reliable reference asap or this will be deleted. Passportguy (talk) 14:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with Passportguy LegalEagle (talk) 14:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I will argue that we don't need an article for every individual listed in the genealogies of every holy book on the planet, wp:notability just isn't there. Yes, the book is real, yes, the geneology does include that individual... but the phone book includes me.- sinneed (talk) 16:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

possible sources
Seder HaDoros is one place to look. The apocryphal Book of Jubilees is another. I don't have the time to search for this now. Let's see what the page creator says.Joe407 (talk) 14:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You are the creator of this page, therefoe you must provdie references. Unfortunately Wikipedia does not qualify as a reference, as that would be a self-reference. You need to have reliable third party sources to back this up. Passportguy (talk) 14:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Ummm... I don't think I created this page. I just saw a poorly written stub and cleaned it up.  I don't know much about this topic but I'll post it on wiki project judaism and see if anyone bites.  I sugesst giving it a few days to see if it can be sources.  The org author seems to have deleted his profile so it may in fact be a hoax.  All I know is that the book is not a widely read one and as such is an unlikely source of a hoax.Joe407 (talk) 14:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Creator was Millwonder - sinneed (talk) 16:33, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Book of Jubilees
This gives a different answer as to the names of their wives. Azura & Awan. I'd still say to hold a week before deleting.Joe407 (talk) 14:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Idea: merge/redirect.
Assuming we can find some wp:RS... and I think the online versions of the (various) books may be good enough... there wasn't writing then, so in the Wikipedia sense how "Reliable" can the "Sources" be? (Please no one panic, WP is computers and a list of principles, rules, guidelines and consensus decisions by humans who vary accross the multiple spectrums of humanity: it has no soul, no faith.)

Have the names (and the variations) as redirects. Create an article, perhaps "Biblical children of Adam and Eve" (just a random thought). I feel confident there just isn't enough out there for actual articles on these as individuals.- sinneed (talk) 21:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

See here. --24.13.246.116 (talk) 03:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

So it seems that we now have three different traditions as to their names! Joe407 (talk) 04:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Translation
I am trying to translate this article to Hebrew. 109.67.32.81 (talk) 15:32, 6 January 2010 (UTC)