Talk:Baldur's Gate/Archive 1

Biff the Understudy
Is Biff really qualified to be considered a major NPC? Tell me what you think.

I don't think so, since he's pretty much an NPC they put in for missing NPCs in the first game - I think it's more of a Trivia/gag note.

Quotes
Please consider moving these quotes to Wikiquote and remove them from the article body. --Goblin 13:45, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)


 * Done.--Poiuytman 11:57, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Dark Alliance?
I clicked a "Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance" link, and it redirected me here. I shortly discover that there's information on basically every game in the series except for Dark Alliance, with the explanation "it is not normally considered part of the series because its plot is unrelated".

Great. Super. So, why does "Dark Alliance" redirect here then? It needs to be discussed on the page. "Dark Alliance" was the first Baldur's Gate game I played and is so far my favorite of the series. I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way, and it seems to me that it should not have been singled out here merely because the author of the page didn't like its lack of continuity with the rest of the series. --Corvun 09:39, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * You're very right. I'll remedy. Jordi·✆ 09:45, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I've made a start: Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance. Please add to it if you see something lacking. (Especially on the sequel, which I never played.) Jordi·✆ 10:09, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Thoroughly kick-ass! Question on the setting, though, since I mainly play tabletop D&D and don't have much experience with the computer/console games:  is Dark Alliance a sub-setting for Baldur's Gate, just as Baldur's Gate is for Forgotten Realms, and Forgotten Realms for Dungeons & Dragons?  I mean, is this the Dungeons & Dragons: Forgotten Realms: Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance campaign setting or something?  And is that why it's seemingly unrelated to the other Baldur's Gate games? --Corvun 10:29, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * Within the context of AD&D, both the PC and the console BG games take place in the "Swordcoast" sub-setting of the "Forgotten Realms" campaign. The games are typically not seen as "canon", although elements from the PC game series are now typically seen as adopted canon, because of the novelization, and because later source material (from Wizards) has referenced it.
 * It's best to view the PC and console game series as separate campaigns, which happen to both be based on the same source material, but have nothing else in common. Jordi·✆ 10:45, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Summaries, Plot Details, General Organization
I think each game section should start with a basic summary, with a separate subsection for full plot details. Major spoilers should be restricted to these areas, and removed from other sections where possible (such as Imoen's BG2 NPC info). Possibly make separate pages for BG1 and BG2 for more in-depth information, while keeping general information on this page. I'll do it eventually if no one else does, but I'll have to finish Baldur's Gate 2 first :P. The Imoen thing really ruined the surprise for me -- I just wanted to see a list of NPCs and avoid the plot section because of the spoiler warning, but ended up reading a spoiler anyway.


 * The article is getting too long, so I think it's time to consider splitting it. I agree we should start two sub-articles for Baldur's Gate (and Tales of the Sword Coast) and Baldur's Gate II (and Throne of Bhaal), and move most of the details there. --Goblin ›talk 4 July 2005 11:08 (UTC)

Candlekeep
I searched on Candlekeep and got re-directed here... should not Candlekeep be an article on it's own? Ariakas 13:10, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Depending on how much there is to say about Candlekeep that is relevant to Wikipedia, either create an article of its own or expand Sword Coast and redirect it there. --Goblin ›talk 06:24, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I made Candlekeep a redirect to Western Heartlands and added a little info. Poulsen 00:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Haer'Dalis and Drizzt

 * I added the NPC Profile for Haer'Dalis for BGII.
 * I also added the appearance of Drizzt Do'Urden in the Trivia.

P.H. - Kyoukan, UASC 04:57, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

can someone tell me
who is the head of Baldur's gate and Baldur's gate 2.

Dumoren 03:18, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by "head"? Can you be more specific? --Poiuyt Man talk 05:31, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I have a feeling that Dumoren is reffering to the person that headed the production of Baldur's Gate. --cheese-cube 05:56, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

that is what i went to say. Who was in charge of making the game eg: like Peter Jackson was in charge of making Lord of the rings, or Jason Jones was Project lead of Halo2 ETC.

Dumoren 07:44, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


 * The 'Director of Writing and Design' is listed as James Ohlen here, so that would be my best guess. --Casius 12:16, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Wasn't it a man called Fergus Urguhart?

Dumoren 10:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

According to the manual, page 148, Ray Muzyka was Producer and James Ohlen was Lead designer.Poulsen 20:28, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

List of NPCs (party members vs. d&d fame)
As the NPC lists look now, BG2 is a mess with both party members and famous Forgotten Realms heroes and nobility, while BG1 consists only of party members. What I propose is moving the party members to Baldur's Gate NPCs and then list Elminster, Kangaxx, Taugosz "Tenhammer" Khosan, and who else are Forgotten Realms canon in the games. Casual browsers of the Forgotten realms pages will have more interest in links to Elminster or Drizzt, than arbitrary party members (harshly put). I'll start the lists in a few days, if nobody objects. Poulsen 17:54, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

The problem with the BG2 list as of now is that many of the characters in it are only tangential to the gameplay. I just played through it again and didn't see many of the characters listed. Saying that Drizzt's party are "prominent" when in fact they appear only for a few minutes of gameplay (out of a 30 hour plus game) is somewhat misleading. I don't recall seeing Elminster at all, although he is in Throne of Bhaal, for about 20 seconds. Since this list is supposedly referring to prominent characters in the game, rather than in the Forgotten Realms themselves, I would say that the NPC party members and enemies specific to BGII (Irenicus, Bodhi, Nalia, Keldorn, Firrkrag, etc.) are much more suited for this listing. Your logic about appealing to the casual browsers would seem to justify just making a list of Drizzt and other famous NPCs and using that for each specific media based in the Forgotten Realms, even if they barely appear in that book/game/whatever. There are plenty of NPCs that appear in BG2 but not in BG1 that could appear in this listing; it just looks like no one's bothered to yet write them upFrailgesture 23:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * If you look at the old [|old version] it was even more of a mess, with NPCs sporadically added one by one. The BG1 list was all npcs, while BG2 was a mix, none of them complete, iirc. I agree with your criticism of the BG2 list, and I am not a fan of listing NPCs for pretty much the same reasons; they might not play any part in a game at all. Can we agree on a list? I propose:
 * Aran Linvail
 * Bodhi (Baldur's Gate)
 * Firkraag
 * Jon Irenicus
 * Kangaxx
 * Saemon Havarian
 * Solaufein
 * Elminster appears in a Jaheira sub-quest. Poulsen 23:58, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Elminster also appears in baldur's gate 1, 2 times, where he is apparently checking the main characters progress

Novelization?
Would it be okay if I mention that the Novelization of the Series is almost universially loathed by fans of the PC games for having an unlikable lead, poor characterizations and complete deviation from the plot?


 * Though I know it to be true, of course any reviews of the books should be linked, if not to "real" reviews, then at least to fan reviews. If you write it without sources it's essentially just your personal opinion, which isn't encyclopedic. But sourced criticism would be cool! Poulsen 16:07, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll go find a few fan interviews, then.

Splitting into seperate articles
As mentioned further up on this page, it might be a good idea to split the individual games off into seperate articles, as it's nearing the size limits with only minimal content on the expansion packs. Furthermore, each game is notable enough to have a seperate entry. The Overview, Modding community and novels section are good in describing the series as a whole, with new articles on Baldur's Gate (computer game), Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast, Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn and Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal - any pros and cons? Poulsen 12:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea although I'm not too sure there should be too much info on the expansion packs except ToB, as Swords of the Coast was mostly just a hack and slash to satisfy fans until BG II came out. What new content do you think should be added? More on the storyline? -- Solberg 04:51, 12 March 2006 (UTC)Solberg


 * Tales of the Sword Coast might have a detailed description of new features and additions, a reviews/reaction section, the production credits and a more fleshed out story section. But if you're driving towards having BG1+ToSC in the same article, I can agree with that, and if ToSC then expands within the BG1 article it can always be split off later. What do you think of the joint BG1+ToSC article being named Baldur's Gate (computer game)? Poulsen 08:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced statement
"The Baldur's Gate series brought many technical advancements in computer-based role-playing games..."

What type of advancements? The engine is not the first to use "pre-rendered isometric worldview, with sprite-based characters". Use of the Lua scripting engine does not necessarily mean an advancement over other scripting languages. Sounds more like market-speak to me. SharkD 18:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorcerer's Place in external links
As suggested in a recent revert, I propose including external links to Sorcerer's Place for the following games covered by that website:
 * Baldur's Gate
 * Baldur's Gate II
 * Icewind Dale
 * Icewind Dale II
 * Neverwinter Nights
 * Neverwinter Nights 2
 * Planescape: Torment
 * Pool of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor
 * The Temple of Elemental Evil
 * Dragonshard

This excludes the following games covered by Sorcerer's Place, due to lack of resources at the website:
 * Forgotten Realms: Demon Stone
 * Dungeons & Dragons Online
 * Dragon Age

I only exclude Dragon Age because right now, with the game currently in development, there is not enough information at Sorcerer's Place to warrant a link. After the game's release, I suspect the website will have much more comprehensive coverage, and then a link will probably be needed. This website is a valuable resource for all sorts of mods, patches, tweaks, fixes, etc., both official and fan-created. I would also suggest an external link from Infinity Engine to the respective section at Sorcerer's Place. (Cross-posted to Talk:Planescape: Torment) − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 23:15, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * See Talk:Baldur's Gate for ongoing discussion. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 07:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

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Merge of character articles
I support Kung Fu Man's proposal to merge in character articles such as Sarevok and Edwin Odesseiron, unless someone can begin to demonstrate notability of these articles independent of the subject. This is part of the wikipedia general notability guideline. For contrast, I'd hold off on merging characters such as Minsc until a later more specific discussion can take place. This article seems to have asserted independent notability, although I admit that it is limited. Randomran (talk) 23:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Support I support the merging. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

BG III
So credible info about part three basically ends in Jan 08? Billlogalneedslove (talk) 01:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that it is important for players of Baldur's gate to state their feelings about the way the game is going to utilize a 3d gameplay style. I feel that this is in response to the increasing pressure to keep up with other game companies putting emphasis on 3d graphics. For me, Baldur's gate 1 and 2 was great because it was comfortable to play. 3d gets messy. The crew should stick to the basics for number 3 as well. Just re-jigg the original interface. Continue to use a non rotatable 2d image for terrain. It was incredible to play, and I can't believe that you would steer away from this. Baldurs Gate is a game about the gameplay, storyline, and character progression... Just focus on that guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Romulus Rolathin (talk • contribs) 11:44, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Link Needed to be changed
I've noticed that the link to Dragon Age goes to the disambiguation of Dragon Age. Shouldn't it link to the Dragon Age: Origins page instead?
 * Be BOLD and feel free to edit it! DP 76764  (Talk) 03:17, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Merger Needed Now
Baldur's Gate and Dark Alliance. Same Series Or Different? Argueably, Dark Alliance isn't the same series. Argueably, it is. Argueably, it is part of the same series but in a Raving Rabbids Spin-Off Series approach. Which one, like either it being part of the same series or being a spin-off series. So it is part of the same series. So what if they have different and unrelated plots. Baldur's Gate III was never released and likely it would have been stopping Eldrith in her backstory and continuing Adrian Abdens story as well. So why is there a seperate article for Dark Alliance. They are part of the same series and Dark Alliance III was canceled. That could have had references to the Bhaalspawn Saga. Lets merge the Dark Alliance Series Article and The Baldur's Gate Series Article into just a Baldur's Gate series article. I have made some changes to this article so that it includes Dark Alliance III. So let's merge these two articles. --Schmeater (talk) 23:31, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

BaldursGate.com
This website popped up recently, seeming to hint at either a new game or a re-release of the first two (with many hoping on the former). The page itself hasn't changed, but the notations in its source code have been slowly filling with cryptic hints/game references. Anybody hear anything else about it and/or know how this should feed into the wiki? Frohike14 (talk) 03:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * When they give us some more solid information, then I think it would be a good idea to include it here. 99.126.204.164 (talk) 15:12, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * On the same subject, there's a set of articles at GameBanshee that seem convinced that Beamdog is behind the website and is planning something for the series. There's a collection about four or five articles on the site which discuss Baldursgate.com and the continuous changes in the source code. Wouldn't it be a good idea to add some of that in, at least? The source code comments, perhaps?
 * If nothing else, it's certainly an interesting read (one of the source code updates was a clear reference to Minsc) but I'm not sure if it's notable/verifiable enough to add in just yet.
 * Trevor coelho (talk) 17:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it announced Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition.(http://www.baldursgate.com/news/2012/03 ... d-edition/) Dark567 (talk) 20:58, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Enhanced Edition HD Remake removal
I have removed the 'HD Remake' comments in the notes section. Trent Oster of Beamdog has stated that Bioware have lost the original art assets so it cannot be a High Definition remake. "With regards to the background art and character art, we are limited in what we can do from a purely graphical context as the original art assets were lost. Since we have no 3D models or textures from the original games to go from we have to make the best of what is available." http://www.neogamr.net/news/beamdogs-trent-oster-talks-about-baldurs-gate-enhanced-edition — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.112.135.147 (talk) 13:38, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Needed?
Does Wikipedia really need a article for a 2-game series? It's basically copy all the content from the games articles and puts together games that have nothing in common beyond the first two words of the titles. Guidaw (talk) 17:07, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The BG series was definitely more than 2 games. 65.126.152.254 (talk) 20:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * They doesn't made a "series" in any way. Guidaw (talk) 22:29, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

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