Talk:Baldwin Wallace University/Archive 1

Davhenry edits
I began a large rewrite of this page. As an alumni, I was concerned that the definition was little more than a cut and paste from BW's admissions page. When I was a student, I did ample research on BW, and have a book prepped for publication. I borrowed the new format from other wiki definitions for colleges that seems to have served them well. Of course, i there is anything I missed, feel free to edit. I know I will be adding things as I have time--Davhenry 3.22.2006
 * I don't go there but know a number of people who do--are you sure the fraternities are accurate? A 2007 update, http://www.bw.edu/admission/campuslife/greeklife.asp doesn't list Sigma Phi Epsilon (I guess I can understand why they wouldn't also list Alpha Sigma Phi.)  Without talking about the specifics any more than we have to (although they are only a google away for those who stumble on this page and have a sense of morbid curiosity,) I unfortunately heard about the incident with Sig Ep in '05--they must've had to disband afterwards or something?
 * Sigma Phi Epsilon and Alpha Sigma Phi are both still active fraternities. Though I am unaware of the sigep incident from 05. I do know that the two fraternities are back now, whether or not they were gone before.-- Wizardman 05:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * According to the BW website, they do not seem to officially recognize the two fraternities in question. Perhaps the section should indicate the "official" greeks from the others. There seems to be a distinction.Davhenry 15:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Really? They recognize them here, maybe the website needs updating. (They participated in greek sing, made a big deal abotu ASP doign it for the first time in 12 years, I don't think unofficial frats can take part in that.) I'll triple-check, but as a curent student I'd know these things. (Problem is that's OR, hmm...) At the same time, the sororities page shows a delta sigma theta, whch I've never heard of before. Though I just checked the frat page, it shows the 5 fraternities listed...-- Wizardman 15:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Wizardman--Well, the 2007 link above left out the colony or the fraternity involving the incident, but you may have looked at the older 2005-2006 link: http://www.bw.edu/stulife/greek/fraternities/ I would think the newer link supersedes the older one, but again you're the current student and would know firsthand...
 * ah, I never clicke dthe above link until just now. Maybe there is something going on that I'm unaware of..-- Wizardman 16:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * So, if the 2007 link is considered to be the most current, how is it that I cannot get to it from the main webpage, that I am simply taken to the old link? The question is, are the letters' still up on a dorm somewhere? What constitutes "active"? We should have the most current information, that is allDavhenry 19:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sigma Pi Epsilon IS living on campus next year, I believe in Heritage. The Alpha Sigs I cannot confirm that they have a dorm set aside for next year (though they are small). So, SigEps are "active" now, dunno about the other. (they do stuf on campus, but i don't know if that's good enough).-- Wizardman 00:39, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

General Quality
While I applaud the efforts put forth by the previous editor, I feel that, and this is as a current student, the text was very much biased towards casting BW in a postive light, as opposed to something that is supposed to be objective. As much as I love BW and serving it justice, I don't believe that Wikipedia is the place to do so. I have edited some of the links out of the text, as they would have simply redirected the reader back to the page (pretty pointless, in my humble opinion.)
 * I hope this is satisfactory to you, Mr. Henry (and if I'm reading the name right, I'm going to assume that you are the former Chief Justice of the Student Supreme Court... a body that has since fallen into disarray.)

--Bwryan2006 04:10, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * response to "General Quality Well, BWryan, you have me at a disadvantage, for you know my name, and I do not know yours. I am new to the wiki world, I just know that the original definition was really laudatory toward the admissions department. I figured, best to get a better structure online, and let people parse over the style and details. When it comes to the history, most of it is spot on, save for some bowdlerizing of our campus diversity which I admit, I was uncomfortable in changing from the admissions material. Most of my history can be referenced in the "History of Baldwin University and German Wallace College" by Feutcher et al, found in Ritter. Also, see any of my articles in the Exponent from 2000 to 2002, all researched at Historian's House. If you have any more suggestions as to how to make the entry more neutral, go to it my friend. I concur on your changes, again, the sign of my rookie status as a wikipedian.

Featured Article?
Right now I'd rate it as a B-class article, which sin't too bad. It's going to be my goal to make this college a Featured Article eventualy though. I ask if anyone has any pictures of the college though that would help improve the article, or if anyone has anything else to add. --Wizardman 02:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Wizardman, I support your gumption to make this a featured article. I tried to lay down some "clay" to work with a while back because the original entry was horrible...right out of the admissions flyer. You might find many good pics at the Historian's House on campus, Lou Kiefer has an amazing collection of things few students ever see. Some thoughts though on your edits...it is hard to identify what makes an alumni "notable". Seems to me just ruling out say, U.S. Representatives to congress who do not have a wiki article is not very fair, while keeping some people, like the gal on deal or no deal, just because someone took the time to put her in a wiki article. I would have no problem creating the wiki articles for each of those reps if it means keeping those alumni on, but face it, running for congress and winning is no small task. So, we need a "notable" standard. You might notice on other college articles a laundry list of alumns that seems standardless. I am sure we can reach a median on this one. Oh, and I can see pulling my book as a reference until it reaches publication, as I have had some quarrels with my publisher, it may be awhile. Davhenry 03:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Large revamp?
I tried to organize the page similar to other colleges to the size of BW. I redid the info box to include more information. Added speakers, explanded info on traditions, added international programs, info the turf info, last week I moved alumni and faculty info to a new page. I am totaly for people to point out any changes we should revert back or continue to do Pwojdacz (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The separation of alumni to a separate page is excellent...it seems that more and more names are added that do not link to wikipedia definitions (the definition of "notable" seems to be debatable, as there has been an explosion of musical theatre people that probably represent a niche noteriety rather than "notable" like an astronaut).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.28.221.133 (talk) 20:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Lang Hall
I reverted the edits that stated "In the 2008-2009 school year Baldwin-Wallace College was forced to house males on the first floor, and open the previously closed fourth floor of Lang Hall. Since making these decisions spirit encounters and activities have rapidly increased in the number of occurrences."

-Lang 4th floor was closed in 06/07 due to low enrolment, 2nd reslife's only reason for housing men on the first floor was because lang wasnt filling up with women. BW has very little spaces for singles rooms for men, this allowed more options for men in their housing choices. It wasn't "forced". Increased "encounters" haven't happened.... (Pwojdacz (talk) 17:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC))

Requested Reassessment
As the article currently stands it should still be rated as a B-Class (which is the highest grade I can give it myself unless a GAN or FAC occurs). The main thing I would focus on adding to this article right now are footnotes; without these it is impossible to tell what information is WP:OR and what comes from WP:RS. As a note See Also sections should only link to articles that I can see also, so no redlinks. The Notes and References sections shouldn't be broken by a See Also. It would be of great assistance if the currrent editors would read the Manual of Style and its subpages, the Writing guides at the bottom of the MoS. Go over these things and make the needed fixes, after that I'd be happy to do a more in-depth review. Hope this is helpful.

En-dash or hyphen?
Here on the Wikipedia page, the college's name is being spelled with an en-dash, as is typical between two joined last names. However, I have not seen it spelled with anything other than a hyphen anywhere else, ever, including on the college's own website. Perhaps this merits a change back to hyphens? Thecommexokid (talk) 01:55, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

A while back someone came through and did this to all the hyphens on Wikipedia. I agree this isnt the same that was used at BW and the marketing they distribute. Pwojdacz (talk) 12:38, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved per request. July 1 has come and gone, and it looks like the media are picking up the new name. Favonian (talk) 17:11, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Baldwin–Wallace College → Baldwin Wallace University – The school is converting into a university on July 1st 2012, the page can simply be moved but there is a redirect already in place which requires an administrator moving it. Pwojdacz (talk) 03:45, 23 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Questions: Do you have sources for this? The official website still refers to it as "college". And another one: wouldn't the new name still be hyphenated? Favonian (talk) 09:53, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * university conversion The official transition day is July 1st. The school has already switched over it's social media and many of the signage at the school already. The hyphen is being dropped as well. It's mentioned in the link too. Pwojdacz (talk) 00:08, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose until July 1, 2012 – Wait until the change occurs, per Pwojdacz's source.   Levdr1 lp  ( talk ) 06:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Why are you opposing the change? ITS IN 6 days... by the time an admin makes the move its going to be july 1st..... shouldnt you be requesting a hold then? Pwojdacz (talk) 07:04, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Why rush to make the change? The school remains Baldwin-Wallace College until July 1st.  There is simply no justification to change this article's title until then.   Levdr1 lp  ( talk ) 08:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose until July 1, 2012. We don't need to jump the gun on this. Yes, it will happen, that's not in question. But there's really no reason to do it prematurely if the name of the school is still Baldwin–Wallace College for another few days. Jrcla2 (talk) 14:33, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Number of degrees
Currently the section on academics says there are 9 undergraduate degrees, and then lists only 6 of them. Likewise, it says there are 3 master’s degrees, but then lists only 2 of them. Someone should check which numbers are correct, and then if necessary augment the lists to complete them. Loraof (talk) 18:39, 7 February 2019 (UTC)