Talk:Bally Technologies/Archives/2014

Bally Industries
This article would be good in the form of a notification like Microsoft. Bally is a great company, they create computer games, but doesn't need advertising in a encyclopedia. It would just make more sense to just notify this company is there, and that it made pinball machines, computergames and the like. Not every small company will be noted in an encyclopedia, especially _not_ the company you moderator are a member of (just joking). So go out and stay out you misarable brat LOL just remember that  $$E=mc^2$$  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.208.37.66 (talk) 17:07, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality
Ok, it seemed that someone had(has) a real axe to grind with a particular group of former owners of the company. This slanted and biased the article in pretty terrible way. I'm not sure, but I think the same author then copy/pasted a bunch of recent advertising information from some third party source, curiously not the official website. There actually was some valid information in here, but it was mostly veiled, thinly, in a character assination. I've neutralized that stuff out. I've also rewritten and reorganized the article so that it has bit more of a proffessional presentation. I'd like to go ahead and extricate the various POV tags. I'll leave them here for a month after this writing. If there are no objections, I will remove them. Please review the article and give your opinions in this section. --Daydreamer302000 09:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm leaving the tags up. Although I do believe the article now presents itself in a neutral fashion, there are some obvious factual contradictions in the article itself which must be settled. When that's done to satisfaction, I'll call for the tags to be removed again. --Daydreamer302000 15:35, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Revising
I just got my copy of Christian Marfels book on the history of the company. I will try to use this to get things organized over the next few weeks. I will also see if the marketing department can lend a helping hand. --Daydreamer302000 14:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've just made a chunk of changes. Before anybody (especially any wikipedia moderators) goes reverting or changing anything, PLEASE read the article and consider the clarity and neutrality. Look at the major recent changes and compare. I'm not finished yet. I still have gleen some information from the recently written history and will update the Name section appropriately. Also, that paragraph on Thrillions is hanging by a very thin neutrality thread. It's probably going to go. There will also be a section on notable international offices, which is surprisingly lacking. I'm going to ask the marketing department to update the Bally website so a few more notable games can be linked (note that the Playboy link doesn't work). Still some effort to put in here.... --Daydreamer302000 16:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the article still needs the references section fleshed out a bit, and I've got to add a couple of citations. But I do think the article stands fairly well on its own right now. As soon as I get the citations, I'll probably remove the Not Verified tag. --Daydreamer302000 09:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, major citations work done. I've put the main reference in. Next up: A nice little info box (my first).--Daydreamer302000 12:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have basically reverted the introduction back to its original in order to comply with Wikipedia's general standard on writing a good article. The introduction should be a short brief summary of what is to come in the main article. The statement that was in there not only extended the length unnecessarily, it contradicted current factual information regarding the company history. --Daydreamer302000 19:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Removed the old logo. Will talk to the marketing department to see if they can supply one of the older logos for use here. This is low priority, but it would be a nice-to-have. --Daydreamer302000 19:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Since the article is about Bally Technologies, and not just the brand name, I have put the original introduction back in. There is already a section for discussion of the name (and logo). --Daydreamer302000 20:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Ms PacMan
I have cited, published source that states clearly that Ms. PacMan is one of the games that Bally developed (through Bally/Midway). In fact, there are people still working for the company from that period of time. I'm going to put that back in unless there is a good information (cited, published, verfiable, credible) that contradicts this fact. If there is, please state the reason for this change here, and ofcourse change the article with the appropriate citation and reference(s). --Daydreamer302000 19:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * On second thought, I don't want to get into a 'reverting war'. Let's just discuss it here. Please cite a source here that Bally did not produce Ms PacMan and should not credited with this production in the article. I've arleady given my source (in the article), and even quoted a section from that source in the discussion above. Please give a counter reference and we'll discuss the credibilty of these sources here. --Daydreamer302000 20:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Links to games
Shoudn't pinball names such as "The Adams Family" be links to articles about the pinball machines (in this example, The_Adams_Family_(pinball) )? In this article they link to the theme article instead of the pinball machine article.
 * In fact, the best situation would be if the links went right to the company's web pages on the games. This will take some effort from the marketing and IT departments though.

History
There is great content here, but it could do with some sub-headings, and maybe a simple-timeline. Rich Farmbrough, 10:29 9 January 2007 (GMT).
 * What a mess! What happened? This page was actually somewhat organized about a year ago! It's like somebody came by and dropped a huge blob of text into the thing and just left. It's going to take some work to straighten all of this out. --Daydreamer302000 14:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Bias
Much of the text is taken verbatim from Bally's corporate information page. A lot of good information, but a decidedly non-neutral point of view. Article needs to be revised to conform to Wikipedia standards. Misoman 05:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. Definitely needs major revision; in fact the corporate info page is more NPOV than this. Keethraxx 22:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Wrong
The following sentence is incorrect:

Notable acquisitions of such companies as Casino Marketplace, MindPlay and Advanced Casino Systems Corporation (ACSC) have allowed the Bally Systems division to dominate the rapidly expanding slot accounting market.

The SDS product has solely allowed Bally to dominate this market for 30 years. CMP, MindPlay and ACSC have no bearing on this accomplishment. SDS has always been the system of choice and will continue to be so. Sportfan2010 22:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

HEY!! Ballytard. Quit removing my changes.....I speak nothing but the truth....Bally marketing does not own this page, so you and your management can suck maird —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.93.87.124 (talk) 04:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

POV check
This article has been in a state of disrepair for far too long. The history is clearly written from a "press release" POV, featuring such gems as "The Thrillions wide area progressives are unique in that they permit players to play for the same jackpot while playing different machines of different denominations, such as nickel, quarter and dollar slots.[6]" (ref is to what seems to be an industry quarterly or some such). Much of this needs to be pruned, and the remainder would have to be cleaned up to give a fair overview of the company without turning into something like the current doggerel. --Badger Drink (talk) 22:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Atlantic City casino
As a clarification, when Bally's initially opened and operated their first casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey they did so without using the Bally's name, this includes signage, stationary, cocktail napkins, room key, casino chips and tokens due to the fact that company executives feared that if they did use the Bally's name and the casino/hotel failed it may cause an adverse effect and financial strain on the rest of the company but when their investment proved to be profitable they did begin to use the Bally's name. 96.243.189.48 (talk) 22:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Article split
This article is currently a pretty confusing jumble covering the histories of several companies. It seems to me this should be split into at least 3 articles: Toohool (talk) 07:38, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Bally Manufacturing or Bally Entertainment - the company founded in 1932 and acquired by Hilton in 1995
 * Bally Technologies - this article, about the company founded in 1968, known as Advanced Patent Technologies, Gaming & Technology, United Gaming, Alliance Gaming, and now Bally Technologies
 * Bally Gaming or Bally Gaming International - the company spun off from Bally Manufacturing in 1991 and acquired by Alliance Gaming in 1995 (can also cover Bally Gaming to the extent that it was a distinct entity within Bally Manufacturing before the spin-off, and within Alliance Gaming after the acquisition)