Talk:Bandoneon

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I think that this page can be a bit more complete. Here are some facts about the Bandoneón.

The Bandoneon (or Band-Union) was invented in Germany by a man called Heinrich Band. He invented the first Bandoneon in the end of the XIX century, to replace the organs in churches. The Bandoneon was meant to be a transportable organ. Alfred Arnold setteld the first Bandoneon factory ever, in Carsfeld, Germany. That factory builded both "Doble-A" (double A) and Premier Bandoneons, which are the Bandoneons used by profesionals today. The factory closed in 1939. Some say that the factory was used to build guns and ammo during World-War II, other say that the factory was destroyed by the allied bombing.

Those Bandoneons were the finest Bandoneons ever build, even today they are still in use. There have been some attempts to build new Bandoneons, but no one has truly succeded. Other Bandoneon brands are Germania, Tango and Ela-Ela. They are all extinguished German factories.

Since the death of Astor Piazzolla (maybe one od the finest Bandoneon players) in 1992 the Bandoneon has started to become a more popular instrument worldwide, musicians from Germany, Italy, Normay, USA, Japan and many other countries travel to Argentina to learn the secrets of the instrument with the finest bandoneon teachers and tango musicians alive, such as Rodolfo Mederos, Néstor Marconi and Julio Pane. The technique used by these maestros is different from the technique used by the German teachers: Argentinian musicians play the instrument with one leg or both, while the German musicians use both legs and hold the instrument with the legs, rather than with their hands (as the Argentinians do).

The list of the best Bandoneon musicians might be a bit ambitious, but some of the most well-known musicians are:

Aníbal Troilo, Pedro Maffia, Pedro Laurenz, Astor Piazzolla, Rodolfo Mederos, Julio Pane, Néstor Marconi, Leopoldo Federico, Roberto Di Filippo, Daniel Binelli, Dino Saluzzi.

Most of them are Tango musicians, although Bandoneon is used also for Argentinian folk music.

-- Please excuse my spelling/grammar mistakes, I don't write much in english. Ignacio Oroná (ignacioorona@arnet.com.ar)


 * How could Band have invented it 'at the end of the 19th century' if he died in 1860? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:3010:700:CDF0:EB63:563C:813B (talk) 00:12, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Carlitos Magallanes
I removed the Carlitos Magallanes reference as famous bandoneonists, mainly because I don't consider it famous. I know many don't like google hits, but ["Carlitos Magallanes" "Carlitos Magallanes"] has only 56 hits, while "Carlitos Magallanes" bandoneon has only 9 hits. Mariano (t/c) 12:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Captions
The early bandonion and 1949 AA (my photos of instruments from my own collection) are captioned with the German spelling "Bandonion" because neither is in the Argentine keyboard layout. In fact, the early one has the word "BANDONION" cut right into the metal of the air valve cover. The 1949 AA is also triple-reed so was intended for German/US market.--Theodore Kloba 12:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

New bandoneons...
I just heard on the radio that no new bandoneons have been made since WW2, when the factory in Germany was turned into an ammunition factory. Is that true? - 70.71.154.237 01:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not true! Although the Alfred Arnold factory has not made any since then, there are new builders out there, like Harry Geuns  and Uwe Hartenhauer .--Theodore Kloba 12:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Who brought it to Argentina
Piazzolla claims that the bandoneon was taken up by Italian musicians, who liked its somber sound (in contrast to the more joyful-sounding accordion), and that sailors brought it to Argentina. That would mean the text in the article as it currently stands, that German immigrants brought it to Argentina, isn't quite correct. Badagnani (talk) 22:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've always understood that the bandoneon was actually a one-off, experimental type of accordion that was never intended to be produced in great numbers. This would explain its eccentric, un-ergonomic design. (Even Astor Piazzola acknowledged how unnatural and difficult it was, and urged aspiring beginners to reconsider!) I've even heard that a ship carrying bandoneons foundered off the coast of Argentina, and when the cargo was rescued, people started playing the odd instruments purely by chance, and they caught on. Is this all legend, though? (I'm serious, BTW, not pulling any legs here.) – AndyFielding (talk) 08:57, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Famous musicians
Listed are, among others, Juan José Mossalini and Juan José Mosalini. Could it be that the former name is a misspelled variant of the latter? Cheers, Bart 213.84.206.76 (talk) 10:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Very important information left out
Very important information left out of this article: who invented this instrument, when, where, and what was it first called? 173.89.236.187 (talk) 23:57, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Typo in the note layout
There is a typo in the "Bandoneon Fingering Chart" image. The bottommost note on the right half that says "G2/Eb5" should actually say "G5/Eb5".

Not sure if there are other changes that need to be made.

98.29.73.143 (talk) 12:00, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Gift
— bandoneon in hands of Vladimir Putin as a gift from Cristina Kirchner, when he visited Argentina in 2014. 193.233.70.48 (talk) 13:04, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

List of bandoneon players
Based on what criteria has the list of living bandoneon players been established on this page? Wouldn't it be more fair to just mention those artists who are no longer living?
 * No criteria whatsoever have been used. In many cases, seemingly, they (or their managers) have just put their names here. Most are not  prominent - they have no Wikipedia articles.  In at least one case the person does not play the bandoneón at all!  Just the accordion.
 * The only way to control this proliferation is to have an accepted criterion for inclusion. Such a criterion already exists.  It's called notability.
 * In a few days, unless there is a consensus for a different, defined criterion, I'm going to remove all names (a) who are not bandoneón players or (b) who do not have a Wikipedia article. If a player is notable enough to merit a Wikipedia article, please write one.Ttocserp 17:22, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's the usual rule with these lists: write the article first. By the way, please fix your signature -- WP:SIG will show you how to do it right. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 17:46, 7 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi all, I have just added Carel Kraayenhof. Wiki states that he does not have a page, but he has strangely: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carel_Kraayenhof. Maybe because it's Dutch Wiki? Who can help me here? 2A02:A449:A7AB:1:612A:DA5E:99B:2792 (talk) 13:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If a person has an article in Dutch Wikipedia only, it does not establish notability according to the standards of en:Wikipedia, which had a much larger readership base and international profile. Thus, redliners do not fulfil the relevant criteria.
 * Incidentally, the Dutch article seems to be largely unsourced hype, e.g. "Two years later, in 1988, he founded his instrumental Sexteto Canyengue, which would become one of the best tango orchestras in the world". I have removed this redline entry.Ttocserp 06:50, 3 November 2023 (UTC)