Talk:Bangladesh national cricket team/Archive 1

Assessment
A good start, better than I expected, but with several problems. References are almost non-existent, but the article is still littered with statements of opinion, such as the comparison with New Zealand. It reads more like an argument for Bangladesh's retained Test position than anything else. Lacks pictures. Lacks information on history before 1999 (which, no disrespect to Bangladesh intended, wasn't a lot to write home about). The early thumping losses, with a total of 21 wickets taken in the 2-Test series with Zimbabwe, and the ensuing selection chaos (with only Bashar, Mashud, Rafique and possibly Mahmud as reasonably stable members in the side) should be treated in more detail. Sam Vimes | Address me 22:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

"Bangladesh national cricket team" or "cricket of bangladesh"?
It is certain that the article is developing well,but the way it is aheading forward it seems that it is saying more of bangladeshi cricket than bangladesh national cricket team.The structure of the article is quite suitable to entitled it with "Cricket of bangladesh"."Bangladesh national cricket team" can be a content of the main article.This can be done by some minor editing.I beleive this step can be useful to develope this article.Nf.rahman (talk) 14:21, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

History of bangladesh cricket
There are lots of additions can be done in the history of bangladesh cricket in international level section,such as,details of the match events,important scorecards,related historical images etc.Beating australia in 2005 was a remarkable milestone from the aspect of bangladesh cricket,so this topics can be enlarged and marked as a sub-content under history of bangladesh cricket.Nf.rahman (talk) 14:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

scorcard of aus. vs bang of 2005
I added that scorcard with information from http://www.cricinfo.com/ .I have also mentioned the actual external link in the article.Nf.rahman (talk) 10:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

POV
Dreadful article. The article only contains info about the rare Bangladeshi wins, and reading it, you would have no idea that the team has a 2% winning rate in Tests, and lost 29/49 Tests by an innings or more. It also has pointless stuff like a scorecard of the match against Aus in 2005 and a massive section on the 2007 WC in the lead. I have moved it to start quality, since although there is a lot of info, it is of very bad quality.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 01:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Assessment
This article is nowhere near C-class and I've reverted it to start. Cricket articles are rated by reference to the B-class criteria above and must pass all of criteria 1-4 to earn a C-class rating. BlackJack | talk page 06:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

POV in lead
There are several problems with the article's lead, hence why I took out a large part of it. To explain some of the problems I've included a detailed break down of the material I removed.


 * "They have managed to build resistance against the stronger nations like India, England and New Zealand lately": this is unsourced and doesn't belong in the lead which should paint in broad strokes the history of the team.


 * "Most of the cricketing experts now firmly believe that Bangladesh is progressing everyday and they are worthy of playing test cricket": There has been some controversy over whether Bangladesh were good enough to play Test cricket, but since winning their first Test series, challenging England in recent series, and the emergence of Shakib Al Hasan and Tamim Iqbal that has died down. However, the claim that most pundits think Bangladesh are worthy of Test cricket is based on the opinion of one man. In the blog he doesn't claim to represent general opinion – which would have been more useful – just his own.


 * The phrase "In the one day form of the game Bangladesh has shown a very consistent form" is attributed to this source. It mentions nothing about consistency and an interpretation has been applied to raw stats that is considered original research. Some say it shows Bangladesh are consistent, but from my reading it shows that they are one of the four least successful big teams in international cricket. How do you define consistency? Win one match in two? Win against the Associate nations but usually lose against Full Member nations? Arguably Bangladesh were pretty consistent in the period 2005 to 2008 when they struggled to win a match; in sports journalism "consistency" usually means doing well regularly, but in encyclopaedic terms consistency could just mean doing poorly regularly.


 * "this year in their home soil Bangladesh created history by Whitewashing New Zealand convincingly in the ODI series. The Kiwis were utterly overwhelmed in every match, this was the first major whitewash by Tigers against a full strength test squad": Notable firsts can be included in the lead, but the second sentence is superfluous and opinionated. Even the first suffers from POV and "convincingly" is unnecessary. Stick to the facts. It can make sports articles – especially ones about cricket – a bit dry and lacking some of the energy you find in sports journalism, but this is an encyclopaedia and needs to strike the right tone.


 * "Tigers have also developed a habit of defeating the stronger test playing countries at a reguler interval. The whole cricket world now consider Bangladesh as force to be reckoned with": Again unsourced and the phrase "a force to be reckoned with" is weasel-y. What does it really mean? Teams can't take Bangladesh lightly, but "a force to be reckoned with" implies that they are one of the leading nations of world cricket.

The lead (I have not read the rest of the article) reads as if it has been written by a fan; it's good to be passionate about your team but opinions need to be left at the door when writing an encyclopaedic article. Nev1 (talk) 12:30, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Cleaned it up slightly and removed pov phrases where possible. As a Bangladeshi, I have to admit the opening was cringe-worthy.86.164.103.135 (talk) 02:21, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Before editing of 'Tournament History' section
Asia Cup is one of the biggest international tournament for Bangladesh National Cricket Team. It is like an World Cup in Bangladesh. So the history of Asia Cup should be showed like ICC World Cup's. ICC Champions Trophy is also a major tournament. But not for Bangladesh. Because the don't participate there. It (ICC Champions Trophy) is A major tournament for ICC and top 8 teams. It does not hold's so good in Bangladesh like the Asia Cup. So everybody who wants to edit the tournament history section keep this in mind. Thank You. Pr aty ya  (have a chat?) 12:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

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Logo
It has been decided the BCB logo can't be used on this article, so there needs to be consensus to overturn this decision if the logo is to be put back. Spike &#39;em (talk) 06:41, 22 May 2018 (UTC)