Talk:Bangor, Gwynedd

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Dot in map
Could someone sort the wonky red dot out? SP-KP 23:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Please feel free to improve it. Mrs Trellis 22:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If I could figure out how, I would! SP-KP 17:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * What's wonky about it? It looks in the right place on my browser. -- Arwel (talk) 18:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * On mine, it appears above the article title, nowhere near the map. Same problem with Caernarfon, btw SP-KP 18:28, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Both are misplaced for me, too -- it appears just below the center of the title of the article, nowhere near the map. Mozilla 1.1 on Yellow Dog Linux on a Macintosh laptop.  Same for Caernarfon. -- Mareklug  talk  00:05, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Longest high street?
In response to the removal of this claim, it is widely alleged that Bangor has the longest high street in Wales. I don't know anyone who has measured them all, although it is very long so it seems very believable to me.

If one does a Google search for, one will find over 300 results, including, at the top, The Independent and UWB making this claim on their sites. I don't know if these sources count as relaible.

BTW, it is also widely alleged that it has the second highest ratio of pubs to population of any settlement in Britain.

--Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 20:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I reckon these sources are reliable enough. Now there's a source here on the talk page, I'm happy to revert my edit. CLW 21:30, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I can think of a number of places with virtually zero population, probably just the landlord and his wife, but with a pub so they are likely to have a higher ratio that Bangor. --jmb (talk) 00:08, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Pictures
Should the pictures at the bottom of the page have their own section rather than be under External Links? --jmb 08:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

The Beatles in Bangor
BBC Wales has a feature and programme on the 40th anniversary of the visit to Bangor by The Beatles. . The programme several times refers to them staying at Bangor Normal College, I always understood that they were staying at Neuadd Reichel. Which is correct? --jmb 13:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Percentage of Welsh speakers
46.7% was changed to 76.7% with no obvious explanation (diff). The new figure appears incorrect, and other edits by this user appear to be tynnu coes, so I did correct the figure, and add a footnote with the correct figures from Cyfrifiad 2001. 80.68.82.115 (talk) 20:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Yellow Pages
The Bangor page is about the only one that I have seen on Wikipedia with so many listings of businesses, it is in danger of becoming a Yellow Pages. --jmb (talk) 01:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Duffy
Surely the mention of Duffy's birthplace, who is not really considered to be that local, is utterly irrelevant to the article. I am a local resident, and I can say with confidence that Duffy's assocciation with Bangor is not particularly strong, and therefore the mention is unneccessary to the article. Hughesey2 (talk) 04:40, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I see that Duffy has been put back in the list of people from Bangor. Was her family living in Bangor or was she just born at the C&A?  If just born in the C&A then many of the people in Caernarfonshire will also end up listed as being from Bangor    --jmb (talk) 10:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Excessive links - DMOZ solution implemented
In light of the excessive number of links here, have implemented the DMOZ solution that we have used in a number of other similar cases, eg: Tenby. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 19:04, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Penrhyn Castle
History The present building was created between 1820 and 1840 to designs by Thomas Hopper, who expanded and transformed the building beyond recognition. However a spiral staircase from the original property can still be seen, and a vaulted basement and other masonry were incorporated into the new structure. Hopper's client was George Hay Dawkins-Pennant, who had inherited the Penrhyn estate on the death of his second cousin, Richard Pennant, who had made his fortune from Jamaican sugar and local slate quarries. The eldest of George's two daughters, Juliana, married Grenadier Guard, Edward Gordon Douglas, who, on inheriting the estate on George's death in 1845, adopted the hyphenated surname of Douglas-Pennant. Penrhyn is one of the most admired of the numerous mock castles built in the United Kingdom in the 19th century; Christopher Hussey called it, "the outstanding instance of Norman revival." [1] The castle is a picturesque composition that stretches over 600 feet from a tall donjon containing family rooms, through the main block built around the earlier house, to the service wing and the stables.

Penrhyn Castle circa 1880. It is built in a sombre style which allows it to possess something of the medieval fortress air despite the ground-level drawing room windows. Hopper designed all the principal interiors in a rich but restrained Norman style, with much fine plasterwork and wood and stone carving. The castle also has some specially designed Norman style furniture, including a one ton slate bed made for Queen Victoria when she visited in 1859. Hugh Napier Douglas-Pennant, 4th Lord Penrhyn, died in 1949, and the castle and estate passed to his niece, Lady Janet Pelham, who, on inheritance, adopted the surname of Douglas-Pennant. In 1951 the castle and 40,000 acres (160 km²) of land were accepted by the Treasury in lieu of death duties from Lady Janet. It now belongs to the National Trust and is open to the public. Penrhyn's attractions include a formal walled garden, extensive informal gardens, a dolls museum, an industrial railway museum, a model railway museum and an adventure playground. Hanging on its walls is one of the finest art collections in North Wales, with works by artists such as Rembrandt - (Catrina Hooghsaet, valued at up to £40m, the Dutch Culture Ministry tried to buy the painting for Amsterdam’s Rijksmuseum in 2007 but couldn’t meet the asking price)-, Canaletto, Richard Wilson, Carl Haag, Perino del Vaga and Palma Vecchio. The family began collecting paintings from the early years of the 19th century; this significant collection was catalogued by the 2nd Lord Penrhyn's daughter Alice Douglas-Pennant. The castle has views over the Snowdonia mountains. In 2008/09 it was the National Trust's thirteenth most visited paid-entry property, with 156,575 visitors. [edit] Cost The cost of the construction of this vast 'castle' is disputed, and very difficult to work out accurately as much of the timber came from the family's own forestry, and much of the labour was acquired from within their own workforce at the slate quarry. It has been estimated that it cost the Pennant Family about £150,000. This is the approximate equivalent to about £49,500,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.203.13 (talk) 23:49, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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Notable people
Hello. If "Notable people" are added to this article by virtue of their residency or association with Bangor, they absolutely must be accompanied by a reliable secondary source that describes their connection. We cannot be relied on to follow a wikilink to their article and make the determination there: Wikipedia is not a source for itself. Thanks! 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 03:35, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Bangor Mountain and Sunlight
There was a claim on the page that parts of Bangor High Street received no direct sunlight from November to March. Someone placed a citation request on this 10 years ago in 2009, and no one has provided a source. I have searched and the only sources I can find appear to be derived from this page (or the Bangor Mountain Wikipedia page). Without a source, a contentious claim should be removed.

Before removing, I went to Google street view to take a look at the High Street. Only a small portion of the High Street at the Northern end is overshadowed by Bangor Mountain, and you can see it here: https://www.google.com/maps/@53.2296838,-4.1191018,3a,75y,90h,89.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxCERGa7RxOjBijvnqzfeGw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 In this specific short section of the High Street, Bangor Mountain lies to the South, and it is probably true that beyond the equinox, when the sun is rising to the south of East and sets south of West, this part of the High Street would get no direct sunlight. However the stretch is very short, and really it is not that unusual. There are plenty of places like this.

So while I think it is probably true, and actually not very contentious, I think the claim fails on notability grounds. There do not appear to be any published sources remarking on this, because it is not that remarkable. If anyone can find a source that does treat this as remarkable, the material could be returned, but in its absence, the claim does not belong in this article. -- Sirfurboy (talk) 19:02, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

My personal experience of having visited Bangor many times and having lived there, is that much of the high street is in shadow for most of the winter. It is also reported often by students. You forget that the street is usually very close to the foot of the mountain, and Bangor mountain itself is virtually a cliff in some parts. There is a new hall of residence on the high street and 6?? stories tall that does not see over the mountain. A quick view on Google street view will confirm this : from St. Marys on top of the mountain, you cannot even see the high street. I know of no other town in the UK, except Edinbouugh, where there is a cliff overlooking the high street. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.201.149.11 (talk) 22:47, 6 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for this. Again, looking at Google Maps, I see that the shopping precinct is overlooked by shops, not Bangor Mountain.[]. This is my experience of shopping in Bangor. You are not particularly aware of the mountain at that point but it is closer in the stretch I quoted. There are many sections of shopping streets in the UK that get no direct sunlight owing to tall buildings (the shops), so the claim does not seem that unusual. The closeness of Bangor Mountain is a little unusual, but I can think of several other Welsh towns built close to steep hills and cliffs. I am not disputing the truth of the claim, but only its notability. Going forward, the information could certainly be reinserted into the article if there is a source (not derived from Wikipedia) that treats this claim as notable. For instance, a book about Bangor perhaps? I would add that the dates on the claim are clearly wrong. The equinoxes are 21 March and 21 September, so the shadow must either fall from, say, the beginning of October to mid March to the beginning of November to mid February, or indeed the middle of November to the end of January or somesuch. Any claim of November to March is unlikely to lead back to a verified source. -- Sirfurboy (talk) 23:03, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Population
I have just undone a good faith edit that reads:

The population in 1841 was 7,232.

The information is likely true, and is sourced. However it is rather random! Why do we need to know the 1841 population and not any other year? So I put it to talk here to discuss whether we want to include anything on historical growth of the population, or whether there is any reason why 1841 should be of note. -- Sirfurboy (talk) 23:02, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * This is a very late reply, but the obvious answer is that 1841 was the year of the first effective census in the UK and somebody may have simply added up all the head-counts for Bangor. Probably appropriate and also probably relevant but also probably WP:OR - so I guess it is take it or leave it.  Velella  Velella Talk 17:59, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 18 December 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 20:42, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Bangor, Gwynedd → Bangor, Wales – Per Perth, Scotland. Unreal7 (talk) 17:15, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Scarborough, North Yorkshire in Wales though we use principal area (unless possibly there's an overlap on the name though that hasn't been followed with Pembroke, Pembrokeshire and Flint, Flintshire) see WP:UKPLACE.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment there is also Bangor on Dee to consider which is also in Wales. This could result in Bangor, Wales becoming a disambig page .  Velella  Velella Talk 17:55, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:INCDAB there's no need for a separate DAB but instead we would redirect to Bangor but the other one has a specific name and is mush smaller so I'd just leave it as is.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:58, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per the Wales part of WP:UKPLACE where it states that principal area is normally used for places in Wales. Giggity (talk • contribs) 15:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)


 * ’’’Strong oppose’’’. There is no need for this. Perth was named that because it would an unwieldy title. The council area’s name being the same as that of the settlement is why Lincoln and Perth are titled as being in England and Scotland instead of Lincolnshire and Perth and Kinross, respectively. There is no such thing with Bangor.  Velo  ciraptor  888  20:21, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation (Bangor, USA)
There should be disambiguation between this page and Bangor, Maine, USA.

(Or perhaps the new format now hides the disambiguation.) 216.106.104.39 (talk) 22:51, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Notable People - Owen Hurcum
Bangor's Former Mayor Owen Hurcum appears a lot in this article for their influence on the city, and their picture accompanying the notable people section seems to over-emphasise their importance in Bangor. Could the many poets and other notables not be presented instead? Wayne Knight&#39;s No. 1 Fan (talk) 18:40, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Mayoral mace
- may be worth a footnote to the Wartski section in Retail. KJP1 (talk) 06:07, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Standard English pronunciation
Once again Standard English pronunciation was removed here? Seems somewhat contentious. Has this been agreed for all articles with a Welsh name? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:39, 4 January 2024 (UTC)