Talk:Bangor University/Archive 1

University ratings
(I'm posting this to all articles on UK universities as so far discussion hasn't really taken off on WikiProject Universities.)

There needs to be a broader convention about which university rankings to include in articles. Currently it seems most pages are listing primarily those that show the institution at its best (or worst in a few cases). See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities. Timrollpickering 21:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Famous alumni and staff
Ann Clwyd - Bangor graduate ? Debrett's People of today has her down as "UC Bangor" and also "hon fell UCNW". jmb 09:58, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Is it worth mentioning that the fictional character Bridget Jones was said to have studied English at Bangor Uni in Helen Fieldings novel??


 * We didn't just have Bridget Jones - we had John Sessions and Frances Barber, too - I remember her coming to do drama-related stuff in my third year. Also, it could be worth mentioning that William Matthias, the former head of music, was one of the most distinguished British composers of the 20th cent.Bedesboy 19:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Is it worth adding Paul Flattery, he seems to have had quite a distinguished career in music video production, Live 8 concert, "Concert for New York City" production? IMDB --jmb 13:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Should the honorary fellows be put in a separate section and it made clear when they did not study at Bangor? --jmb 09:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The list of "Famous alumni and staff" is getting a bit of a mess. I suggest that it is split into something like this
 * Famous Alumni (real graduates not honorary degrees), Honorary degrees, Famous members of staff, Famous academics associated with the university

Vice Chancellor
81.86.55.206 changed the vice chancellor to "Rhodri Owen". Someone using that IP also vandalised Noel Edmunds. A quick google search and a look at the university website suggests that the VC is still Merfyn Jones. --Llygadebrill 14:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

In 1898, the red-bricked Rathbone Accommodation Halls were built. They are named after Lady Rathbone, one of the early patrons of the University.
The present (2006) Neuadd Rathbone was known as University Hall during the 1960s. A Neuadd Rathbone was built in the mid 1960s and is now (2006) known as Neuadd John Morris Jones.

Was University Hall of the 1960s previously names after Lady Rathbone or was their an earlier hall?

I wrote this bit - I asked the Warden, the portrait hanging up in the main entrance hall is of Lady Rathbone. I diodn't know about the previous naming, but I can tell you that JMJ is named after the first lecturer of welsh!HawkerTyphoon 22:36, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Very confusing the way the names change! The brick hall at the top of Love Lane was definately Neuadd Rathbone at the end of the 1960s and was fairly new. The older one, along College Road(?) towards the main college building was then called University Hall. Both were women only halls. jmb 00:56, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I would suggest changing the present
 * In 1898, the red-bricked Rathbone Accommodation Halls were built. They are named after Lady Rathbone, one of the early patrons of the University.
 * To something like
 * In 1898, University Hall was built on College Road. This was later renamed Neuadd Rathbone after Lady Rathbone, one of the early patrons of the University.  There was a different Neuadd Rathbone built in the 1960s so this was renamed Neuadd John Morris Jones.
 * I hope that is correct. I must watch the history the video of the history of UCNW again to check the details. --jmb 20:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It Sounds about right. Hit it, sailor, and let's get the hell outta dodge. HawkerTyphoon 17:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Dunno if this clears up the confusion, but Rathbone and JMJ swapped buildings in the late 1990s, but then swapped back again. So the horrible 1960s nuclear bunker-type thing at the top of Love Lane is JMJ and the red brick gothicky thing next to it is Rathbone. Not sure if JMJ is still Welsh-speaking, but 'Ratbin' is no longer all-girls (like Reichel is no longer all boys). By the way, I trundled up to the Fridd site the other night while I was walking the dog, and noticed they've SHUT THE FFRIDD BAR! Sacrilege. In future we'll all have to sit in the departure lounge of a third world airport drinking warm, stale Tetley out of a can to try to recreate the Ffridd experience.Bedesboy 20:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Requested move
I've placed a request to move the page as the university is now Bangor University, as the University of Wales is no longer a University per se and the University has been given a new Royal Charter with the name change. AlexD 12:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6972832.stm
 * http://www.wales.ac.uk/defaultpage.asp?page=E14

Famous alumni and staff
Sir Huw Weldon Broadcaster and Writer - a Bangor graduate ?


 * His father, Sir Wynn Powell Wheldon, was Registrar of UCNW but Sir Huw Wheldon was educated at the London School of Economics and Political Science where he gained a B.Sc (Econ). He did go to Friars School in Bangor. (DNB)  jmb 13:56, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The history of UCNW shows a picture of the students' council (?) and identifies one person as Huw Wheldon. No date is given but it seemed about the right period if he was a student at some time.  --jmb (talk) 14:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Storm FM
For some reason the page on Storm FM has been nominated for deletion. It appears to be the only UK student radio station nominated even though the criticisms apply to most of the other stations' pages. --jmb 13:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Only a couple of people voted so they have deleted the page. --jmb 22:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Why the heck is Storm FM mentioned here? It's only a society now - no mention of Seren or anyone else? Just delete it... in fact I'm gonna do that now. It's a very small group of people who think Storm is more important than it actually is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.71.232.11 (talk) 17:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Oldest Universities
Just added us to the List of UK universities by date of foundation - can't believe we weren't on there before, as one on the UK's oldest.Bedesboy (talk) 11:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Changing Times
First things first, the University's relationship with the University of Wales - Swansea and Lampeter already have their own degree awarding powers, I think Aberystwyth has applied - presumably Bangor has too? I have no desire for the University of Wales to come to an end, but these moves by the member institutions certainly show the changing nature of higher education in Wales, and I think it should be mentioned in the article.

Also, I read in the latest Times Higher Education Supplement that Bangor and Aberystwyth have applied to the Assembly to submit a joint research application to the RAE, in an attempt to boost both institutions' research scores, and with the ultimate hope of getting Bangor and Aber into the Russell Group. Does anyone have any more information on this? It seems to be quite an important development! Let's get something about it in the article :) Twrist 16:56, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

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Why does the LBGT group warrant its own mention? There were (and I am sure still are) a multitude of groups and societies in the university that don't get such special mention. ExpatSalopian (talk) 23:20, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Alumni
I don't know if he was a student at Bangor but the correct spelling of the name of the former PM of Mauritius is Paul Bérenger --jmb (talk) 10:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed that he was at Bangor  --jmb (talk) 10:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The Jay Rimmer entry in Alumni looks very suspiciously like a vanity entry. The only matches on Google are self-promotion sites like Facebook and not listed in IMDB.  Delete?  --jmb (talk) 22:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The article on this person has been marked for deletion so presume should be also deleted from the list of Alumni. --jmb (talk) 22:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Notable Alumni -> Aled Eames: It says he was warden of Neuadd Reichel in the 50s and 60s. I stayed there during 1977-8 and he was still the warden then. Stairforce (talk) 13:32, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Logo
As of 2010, the logo displayed is not officially in use anymore. The current branding has the name under the coat of arms, not above it, and the colours have been simplified. How can we update the logo? --86.160.121.58 (talk) 16:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I have uploaded a copy of the new logo but it may be too large to meet the guidlines. Does anyone know what they are? Dant84 (talk) 16:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Storm FM (Criticisms section)
Removed as does not appear to be linked to any referenced/valid source, without NPOV, and borderline defamatory against the organisation. Looks more like a personal attack?

Criticisms In early 2011, the radio station received marked criticism from students for its poor quality in terms of broadcast material and on-air discussion. Large numbers of students complained about the station, describing it as "consisting mainly of young, inarticulate drunk teen or post-teen idiots talking about puerile drivel without a consideration for the important events in our world on a local or global level.

Tomgiddings (talk) 19:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm the existance of "well known author and scholar Wesley Weyers?" Because neither Google nor the catalogues of the British Library and the Library of Congress can. See Talk:Wesley Weyers and now Votes for deletion/Wesley Weyers.

Postal System Section
This appears to be a personal rant, and is certainly not written from a NPOV - I suggest it is removed (or re-written if someone feels the postal system is of interest to readers of this page) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.151.165 (talk) 19:07, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Removed - unsourced, trivial, POV... Thanks. BencherliteTalk 19:16, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Nightline section
A section has appeared that seems a bit like an advert for Nightline. Surely every campus has a Nightline, I wonder if Bangor's is distinct enough to deserve this treatment? Billlion (talk) 05:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

LGBT bias?
It seems that the LGBT "group" have been a little over-active in pushing their importance at Bangor. For example, under the "Social" section, they are the ONLY group with activities listed. ExpatSalopian (talk) 15:58, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi there: After the LGBT section's removal, I have reinstated it as a section and I'm more than happy to talk about whatever reservations you have.

(I have had to create this account today, and I'll apologise if i'm not following the correct format for responses)

I'm not sure who you you believe the bias affects? or who is creating the bias?

I can't see any reference to this "social section", but the society is listed under Student Life and has subheadings in its section including events that the societies run. I'd say this is a valid section for it to be contained, and

Under comments for its removal was a note: "No more important than any other society". In answer to this: of course all societies are equal and every society has the ability and right to post sections on this page. As such, I don't consider this a valid reason for removal.

If you have any other queries or questions regarding this issue, please do not hesitate to contact me: Psub25@bangor.ac.uk As a committee member for the LGBT society, and a previous Sexuality Equality senator for the Student Union, I hope you consider my opinion (or at the least contact me before any more removals and we can discuss any problems).

If you don't wish to correspond via email, I'm more than happy to arrange a meeting to discuss this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew gadie (talk • contribs) 00:26, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Ffriddoedd Site
"Neuadd Reichel opened in 1942 and was named after Sir Harry Rudolf Reichel, first principal of the university. A large extension was completed in 1950. Plas Gwyn opened during the early 1960s and Neuadd Emrys Evans opened in 1966 with Llys Tryfan which was demolished over the summer of 2007 to make way for new halls to be built in the summer holidays of 2008. These older halls have shared bathroom and kitchen facilities."
 * I don't remember a Llys Tryfan in 1966, the text above suggests that it opened on the Ffriddoedd site at the same time as Neuadd Emrys Evans in 1966. --jmb 16:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Llys Tryfan was not there when I arrived in Neuadd Emrys Evans in 1973, Plas Gwyn was. I recall Llys Tryfan being built and friends with whom I'd shared a house, moved in there around 1978, so my recollection is that it was built in mid-1970s. The Bangoriad of Summer 2010 reports "Halls of Residence that opened in the 1960s — Plas Gwyn, Neuadd Emrys Evans and Llys Tryfan — have been knocked down to be replaced by new residences on the Ffriddoedd site.", I know from experience that Llys Tryfan was not built in the 60s and the university website in reporting the opening of the new halls only says "the older Emrys Evans, Llys Tryfan and Plas Gwyn Halls, built during the 1960s and 70s." which is no more precise. Not sure where to get definitive answers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penwithian (talk • contribs) 12:07, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Location error
On Facebook, the page incorrectly states the location of the university as being in County Down when it is in Gwynedd. Please adjust it. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.222.177.248 (talk) 09:29, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


 * That's Facebook, this is Wikipedia; we can't fix Facebook's mistakes. BencherliteTalk 10:11, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

"Notable" alumni
I've trimmed the notable alumni down to those which WP has an article on. Otherwise it's very difficult to ascertain who's notable and who's not (if they are, there'll be an article - or a stub - about them). This also curtails this section's burgeoning length somewhat. If I've removed genuine notables, my apologies, but please consider creating an article stub for them before adding them back in. In passing, I found that one seemingly non-notable actually does have an article on him, but that the linking was done incorrectly. Cheers, --P LUMBAGO 10:47, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Students' Union
The extensive table of Sabbatical Officers seems like too much detail for a section in the article. Is the SU notable and deserves its own article or should this be cut? Billlion (talk) 18:45, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

College Road residences
The article states that JMJ and Rathbone are the same hall - I'm willing to accept that this may be true far back enough in history, but when I was a student in the early 2000s, they were definitely separate halls; JMJ being the Welsh speaking hall (the 1960s building, at the junction of College Road and Lon Cariadon), while Rathbone was in the older building between JMJ and Main Arts - I'd assume this had always been the case.

Ccw34 (talk) 18:13, 18 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The assumption does not allow for the University's practice of exchanging the names between halls. As the article says, the 1960s building was opened as Rathbone, which it remained for many years, then became JMJ, and is now Garth. The former University Hall became JMJ in 1974, then swopped names with what is now Garth, to become Rathbone. This is partly sourced in the article but that needs improving. D22 (talk) 21:18, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Photo donation
Hello, I don't know how to upload and present photos but I think this article needs more to improve. I've taken several high quality ones, that can be seen here: https://www.facebook.com/g.page89/media_set?set=a.10202710026246674.1073741832.1079576193&type=1 I'm happy to donate them to the public domain etc. but don't know how to use them in the article. If anyone agrees and would like to help, please contact me gregapage@gmail.com Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.19.215.21 (talk) 15:04, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Motto
The info box says the Welsh motto is "Gorau Dawn Deall" the Latin "Mortis felix et dominus" and in English "The Best Gift is Knowledge"... I can see how Gorau Dawn Deall translates, but in what possible way does Mortis felix et dominus translate to The Best Gift is Knowledge? It pretty clearly says nothing of the sort? Do they have two mottos? One the same in Welsh/English and a separate one in Latin? If so is there a way to note this in the info box? Leecharleswalker (talk) 21:46, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I took it off, because it looks like vandalism to me. "Death is happy and the master" does not seem like the motto of a non-fictional academic institution. Also, this phrase does not occur on the university's website, though the English and Welsh versions do. If I'm wrong, someone put it back "Mortis felix et dominus" Oceanchaos (talk) 00:30, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

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Spelling Error in Image
The letter "l" is missing in "Prifysgol" from the image file used for the university logo.--Pakbelang (talk) 06:38, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * well spotted! The 'L' is in the original SVG file here. I have asked the editor who uploaded the file about this, see User talk:Berrely. Verbcatcher (talk) 21:15, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The logo file has been fixed, but to see the correction you may need to purge the caches, see Purge. I had to purge my local browser cache. Verbcatcher (talk) 18:35, 9 September 2021 (UTC)