Talk:Banisteriopsis caapi/Archive 1

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can we have info on the conservation status ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.162.230 (talk) 12:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

"Colors"
I'm taking out all of the information on different vine "colors" until someone can cite at least one reference and rewrite it so it isn't a mess of hearsay and arguments. I mean really, there are actually people arguing in the actual text of the article. This is not okay. Here is the offending text for potential researchers:

''The caapi vine is categorized by those who use it into several different types, each of which have different potencies, effects, and uses. Different categorizations may be used in different areas, and this list is not meant to be exhaustive or universally applicable.

Peru
In Peru and other places of the Upper Amazon, the different types of Caapi are referred to as different "colors" by the shamans.

Probably the most commonly used variety, at least among the mestizo curanderos of contemporary Amazonia. It is considered relatively gentle and is the typical vine used for initiation. Often has seven sections when viewed in cross-section. There seem to be two varieties of black caapi, which may or may not be the same plant. They are often associated with witchcraft or brujeria, and should only be used by those who are very experienced with the medicine. Often has five sections when viewed in cross-section. This statement is not true. The black strain has many uses beyond 'witchcraft'. It is used primarily for VISIONS. Saying it is only for brujeria is a very prejudiced and ignorant statement. (edit)
 * Cielo (sky) or yellow caapi
 * Black caapi

Brings on a particularly intense purge as well as other physical effects which are often very overwhelming. Perhaps the only variety of caapi that is not cultivated, but rather harvested from old-growth, unflooded, white sand rainforest. Use was believed to be more prevalent before contact with the west. Used most often in magic, both in brujeria and combating brujeria. Considered very strong and used most often for healing; often, the curandero will take red caapi while their patient is given the yellow variety. Often considered the most potent variety of caapi; ayahuasca cascabel has been seen and experienced very little by westerners, if at all.
 * Thunder or trueno caapi
 * Indian caapi
 * White caapi
 * Red caapi
 * Rattle caapi or Ayahuasca cascabel.

Ecuador
In the Napo province of Ecuador, the vine is divided into three types. It is said that all are used for the same purposes, though the visions of each differ. So named as it has bumps or protrusions, "like a woman". As with all psychotropic substances, the 'visions' are highly subjective to the individual who is ingesting them and should not be classified according to subspecies. Ayahuasca does not "give visions", the experience is divine, and thus, is derived from the universal consciousness and the individuals perception. Straighter than the women's Ayahuasca; gives visions of Boas. Has "designs" on the bark; gives visions of spirits.'' --67.9.164.216 (talk) 18:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ayahuasca de las Mujeres, Women's Ayahuasca
 * Ayahuasca de los Hombres, Men's Ayahuasca
 * Ayahuasca para Ver Fantasmas, Ayahuasca for seeing spirits

Image copyright status
It has been brought to my attention that Image:B caapi dried.jpg and Image:B caapi.jpg require copyright verification, or they will be removed. I must admit that when I originally uploaded them I was rather new and I am now not sure where I obtained the images. Would anyone here be willing to devote a few minutes to chasing down these photos, verifying the status and making the correction? Of course newer pics would be appropriate as well. &mdash; FJ | hello  02:29, May 31, 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd be sad to see these images removed, but copyrights really arn't my area... Sam Spade 14:34, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Legality
'harmala' refers to a catagory of alkaloids, and is part of the botanical binomial for Syrian Rue. Unfortunately, it is used as the name of a proscribed chemical, or chemicals in this context. I do not have the text of these laws, and i strongly suspect that the exact description specifies 'harmine' and/or 'harmaline' and not 'harmala', if these laws exist. The text on French law is correct (unfortunately). Jcc 30 June 06

The following is written in this section on Legality: "Caapi, as well as a range of harmala alkaloids, were recently scheduled in France, following a court victory by the Santo Daime religious sect..." This is a bit confusing, and not actually true. The defendants in that case were only interested in saving their own skins under the repressive Franch law. There was no concerted effort to actually use this case to change the law under rights to religious freedom in the EU. In the sense that no one went to prison, yes, it was a minor victory. However, in effect, this case caused the French state the go where no law had gone before; that it, to make the plants and alkaloids illegal. I'll adjust this after waiting for comment.Jace1 (talk) 21:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

ecuadorian types
just posted ecuadorian types. pictures of each of these as well as more pictures for the page will be forthcoming once i get around to developing them. . . --Heah (talk) 20:45, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

MUJERES
hello, i'm a chilean and i have noticed that in the image says "mujeras" i cant edit it but it is mujeres (women) ;) anyway i've edited the same word in another part of the text. if someone knows how to edit the text on the image please do it, or say it to the moderators or responsable people.
 * Done. Thanks. Phidauex 22:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

an unencyclopaedic mess.
this article is horrible at present. many references to many variants of b. caapi without ANY citation. as far as an ethnobotanist is concerned, b. caapi is b. caapi until further evidence, yes? --06:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Jaguars
In a documentary film, a jaguar from Amazonia was filmed eating some plant and becoming obviously effected, which seems to be, to some degree, a habit of those cats. Does anyone know is Banisteriopsis caapi the plant? If it is, it would be interesting to put that fact in the article. VVVladimir 16:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I have also heard of this. Are there any good books on the topic? User: Vblanton

VVVladimir you probably mean BBC Weird Nature document Peculiar Potions. You can watch it at and skip to point 21:20. The document claims that the indigenous people of Amazonia believe that jaguar is enchancing it's senses for hunting with yage as the indigenous people themselves do. Ahabvihrea (talk) 09:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is exactly what I meant. Thanks for the link :) VVVladimir (talk) 15:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Jonathan Ott stated in the World Psychedelic Forum that the highest alkaloid levels in Banisteriopsis caapi are found in the leaves. You can watch it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qylg2M1n8s&feature=PlayList&p=FCF159AF16BD2001&index=0 and skip to point 3:43. Ahabvihrea (talk) 20:30, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Soon to be delegalized in Poland
This substance is on the list of

Ttg53 (talk) 14:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)