Talk:Banksia

Untitled
Aren't there Banksias in South Africa too? --Eric Forste 07:38, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No, the genus is endemic to Australia. There are closely related genera in South Africa, such as Protea. - MPF 19:00, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio
It has just come to my attention that this article is almost entirely a copy violation of this web page. The copyvio edit was this. For now I am going to revert the text to pre-copyvio version. Snottygobble | Talk 06:20, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Seed Maturation
I'd like to collect some banksia seeds. Does anyone know how long they take to mature on the branch?


 * No. But in the vast majority of species the follicles don't open until stimulated to do so by fire.  So you should have no trouble getting mature, viable seed from any older looking cone. Snottygobble | Talk 11:53, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Gallery move if/when species written
Probably a good idea to move species photos to individual pages of species (and upload more ) when species are written Cas Liber 22:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Featured article
It has been proposed to make an effort to get this article up to featured status. Below is a draft to-do list. Feel free to add items and strike out completed jobs. Snottygobble 00:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

-easy peasey - can do most in a few days :) Cas Liber 00:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

- moved to top of page. Snottygobble 05:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Taxonomy - merge proposal
Something needs to be done about Taxonomy of Banksia and Cladistic analysis of Banksia. Taxonomy of Banksia is misnamed in that it doesn't so much discuss the taxonomy of Banksia as present a particular taxonomic arrangement. Furthermore it is one-sided in that it only presents Alex George's arrangement while ignoring the alternative. Cladistic analysis of Banksia is true to its title in that it really does discuss cladistic analysis of Banksia, but then it presents an alternative arrangement that really ought to be accessible from the taxonomy article.

I think we should have a single page entitled Taxonomy of Banksia that presents
 * history of the nomenclature and taxonomy
 * the morphology and other properties used in classification
 * discussion of George's taxonomic arrangement, and recognition that it is the "standard" arrangement
 * presentation of George's taxonomic arrangement
 * discussion of modern findings using cladistic/genetic/molecular analysis, especially discussion of Thiele and Ladige's findings (i.e. info from Cladistic analysis of Banksia)
 * presentation of Thiele and Ladige's alternative taxonomic arrangement
 * discussion of open questions, areas of future research, likely future changes to the arrangement.

What do you think? Snottygobble 00:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Agree, and then there's the DNA stuff to be worked in properly. I chat with Alex George, Kevin Thiele quite a bit and have corresponded with Austin Mast. I wrote up a presentation. Let me think on it and I'll try to do some stuff later tonight. Cas Liber 08:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, all on 1 page now (very long). Will get up more on molecular stuff soon Cas Liber 13:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent. A really good start. Snottygobble 00:16, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

image in taxobox
...actually Banksia robur's leaves are hardly typical either (but it is my photo ...he he he). But seriously, I have a sneaking suspicion that the M-RBG ericifolia looks alot like 'Giant Candles'. However some ericifolias definitely do look like that as well.

I am not fussed either way -'tis all good. Cas Liber 11:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm opposed to B. ericifolia appearing there because the leaves are highly atypical. I think the current picture is better but I'm not particularly attached to it either. If you have an image that's even better, whack it in. Meanwhile, I've asked User:Gnangarra} for a "perfect" picture - see his talk page. Snottygobble 11:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

yep, saw that. Would be nice to get a really good photo there wouldn't it. Cas Liber 17:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What would be even more perfect than perfect would be a photo that meets all the criteria I dumped on Gnangarra... of B. serrata, the type species. But I'm afraid Gnangarra can't help us with that one. Snottygobble 23:43, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I just altered the taxabox box image as a compromise this has most notable features visable, change it back if you want to Gnangarra 14:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I will have a look, I have an OK one of pods. Looked in a few places on my computer.....Cas Liber 01:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

finally found an OK one, funny how I'm surrounded by the thing and have never tried to take a definitive photo..Cas Liber 19:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Expanding ecology
Guys- this was an expanded summary of what I just put as references - feel free to use none/some/all onto Ecology bit of the page Cas Liber 21:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

text moved into ecology draft. Snottygobble 12:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Species references
I was annoyed with inconsistency in references to species. Sometimes we used "B." and sometimes "Banksia"; Sometimes we used the common name, sometimes the species name, and sometimes both. So I tried to impose some order on the article. What I did was: Is that okay? Snottygobble 00:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The first reference to a species is formatted as
 * B. integrifolia (Coast Banksia)
 * All subsequent references to that species is formated as
 * B. integrifolia
 * Yep thats the best way to present the information, this format needs to be used consistantly across all Banksia related articles. Gnangarra 07:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

LinkFix Dump
Actually, I meant to run this on Banksia brownii, but whatever. Why waste a perfectly good linkdump? See User:Edward Z. Yang/LinkFix dump for details.

================================================================================ LinkFix Dump Banksia 2006-07-12.23-22-16

=
=================================================================== 20 Floreat -> Floreat, Western Australia 22 Shrubs -> Shrub 24 Whorl -> DISAMBIG 28 Perianth -> DISAMBIG 38 Cape York -> Cape York Peninsula 45 Waverley -> DISAMBIG 46 Honeyeaters -> Honeyeater 46 Honey possum -> Honey Possum 72 Botanist -> Botany 74 Banksieae -> Grevilleoideae 74 Banksiinae -> Grevilleoideae 76 Cladistic -> Cladistics 83 Nectar -> Nectar (plant) 83 Birds -> Bird 90 ASGAP -> Association of Societies for Growing Australian Plants 93 Beekeeper -> Beekeeping 96 Coaster -> DISAMBIG 140 ASGAP -> Association of Societies for Growing Australian Plants 141 ASGAP -> Association of Societies for Growing Australian Plants
 * 1) DONE

&mdash; Edward Z. Yang (Talk) 03:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Coaster is a dab/ but it also carries the definition of drink coaster there which doesnt have an article so I have delinked this page All done Gnangarra 16:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Distribution map -
I had a quiet couple of hours Friday night thought I would redraw the current B&W one, I put it here for suggestions, it still needs a key etc, the colour changes were based on the area as out lined on the original. Gnangarra 16:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Fantastic!
 * Captions:
 * Yellow: something like "South western species"
 * Maroon: something like "Eastern / south coastal species"
 * Red: "Banksia dentata".
 * Comments:
 * No Banksia species inhabit the area marked in orange. Probably this was hatched in the original to denote the Nullarbor, which may have been relevant to Mast's study because it is the arid boundary that has prevented the exchange of genetic material between east and west. It should be removed.
 * There should be a maroon spot at the bottom of the Eyre Peninsula; two "Eastern / south coastal species" occur there. The spot is on Mast's original but is hard to see.
 * I was tempted to suggest inclusion of the number of species in the captions, but decided against it because that would mean the image would have to be changed whenever a taxon is promoted to or demoted from species rank.
 * Mental note that this should be captioned "Distribution of Banksia in Australia", not just "Distribution of Banksia", because B. dentata also occurs in New Guinea and the Aru Islands, not pictured here.
 * Snottygobble 06:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Great map. I was thinking of doing something similar but this trumps anything I'd come up with. Banksia dentata is firmly in the eastern salicinae camp so I pesonally would put it in the same colour as them, but either way is cool..Cas Liber 09:25, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

To do
Thanks for the suggestions, any others to add to this list
 * .remove orange area.
 * .Add Eyre Pennninsula region
 * .single colour Eastern salicinae (2 shades east and dentata)

With two colour I wont lable It can be done in the description on image page or in thumb nail.


 * I don't think I agree with Cas' suggestion re: only two colours. The first thing worth saying about the distribution is that it is split into three disjunct areas that each contain only endemic species. Mast evidently thought this worth showing on his map, and I like the idea of doing so on ours. And I liked Gnangarra's use of three different colours to express this.
 * If we colour dentata the same as the eastern species because it belongs in Salicinae, don't we have to colour the western and eastern species the same because they both contain Spicigerae?
 * I like the idea of a map that uses different colours to capture the distributions of the various taxa, but I think that should be a separate map.
 * Snottygobble 11:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * On reviewing Mast's image, I notice that Mast does in fact circle the eastern species and dentata together, then separate them using a dashed line. Evidently Mast was trying to make the same point that Cas is; that dentata could be considered an extension of the eastern /south coastal distribution. Gnangarra, perhaps you could fiddle around with the possibility of showing dentata as a lighter shade of the eastern colour? e.g. west = green; east = red; dentata = light red? Snottygobble 12:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hows this one look, also I've requested a speedy delete to the first version from commons. Gnangarra 13:32, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks great. Banksia dentata is contiguous with B aquilonia and B robur in areas of FNQ. I spoke to Alex George recently, who was actually pondering whether the gap of B dentata underneath the Gulf of Carpentaria was real or just that no-one had collected there. Anyway, I am not fussed and can see points either way. :)Cas Liber 21:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, in terms of the eastern ones, is one of those a spot for either Carnarvon Gorge, Expedition National Park, Isla Gorge and Dicks Tableland (Eungella NP) - all are remote gorges where B spinulosa collina has been recorded - Cas Liber 21:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I really dont know the map was to be a replica of the B&W one thats in the article now. Gnangarra 00:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the map of Queensland, the lower of the two Central Qld dots serves to mark expedition NP. Carnarvon Gorge should be about 0.5cm due west of it. Eungella is marked as well. I think Isla Gorge is marked by the dot just above the dot for expedition NP. I haven't tried editing someone else's commonsCas Liber 22:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

If I can make a suggestion, the two reds are far too similar, if you look at X11 colours on Web colors, I'd probably choose two with more contrast, like red and dark red.--Peta 00:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Added Carnarvon Gorge, I think the closeness of the colour is preferred as the two areas aren't truely seperate just a variant in climatic conditions. Gnangarra 07:11, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ripper, right on she goes.... Cas Liber 08:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Australian Honeysuckle Trees
Is this really a common name for Banksia? I've never heard of it, and googling for "Australian Honeysuckle Tree" turns up only six pages, most of which use the name to refer specifically to B. baueri or B. speciosa. I have removed it from the intro; feel free to revert if you think I'm wrong. Snottygobble 11:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

It is a very old term, you see it in use about 50 years ago. Realistically I have not heard anyone use it since the 1960s Cas Liber 21:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * George used it in The Proteaceae of WA (1984), though it dont remeber the exact phrasing but it a general term to cover the proteaceae family Gnangarra 02:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Cultural refs
The ANBG emblem features B. marginata, someone might want to add the factoid here or on the species article.--Peta

Bat
This photo might be good in the article if someone can identify the bat or the banksia.--Peta 01:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Peta; it's Banksia ericifolia (Heath-leaved Banksia). We could certainly use it at Banksia ericifolia and Ecology of Banksia. Snottygobble 01:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Image
You might find this image useful

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mt_henry_peninsula_banksia.JPG

thanx --talk to symode09's or Spread the love! 01:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Species count
I just noticed this article still only refers to about 80 species, Gnangarra 12:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this article has not yet been dryandrified. There is plenty more dryandrification needed than just updating the species count. :-( Hesperian 12:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Perfomance Artist Banksia
So. . . is someone going to mention this guy? Robert Downey, Jr. claimed to be him at the Oscars; and surely, that is the reason that this was the featured article today, right? Shocking Blue (talk) 23:21, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Um... are you talking about Banksy? Hesperian 00:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Photo of books
Does a photo of books make any sense? If these are - as the legenc claims - "Some of the better known books on the genus", they should have been used in the references. If they have not, then it begs the question as why not, seeing that they are "Some of the better known books on the genus". If they have not been used/ cited/ referenced in the article, but we still would like to preserve the information, would it not make more sense to type out name and author and add somewhere? I've seen pages with "Further reading" sections, such as here - don't know how accepted this practice is or if it is something that has been discontinued. Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 17:39, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 08:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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Temperature requirements?
What temperatures are needed for banksia trees? I live in the southern USA, so I wonder about the possibility of planting a banksia tree here? Are thy frost tolerant? Pete unseth (talk) 14:55, 23 January 2023 (UTC)