Talk:Banksia cuneata/Archive 1

Thanks Cas. I was a little embarrassed about the quality of prose. But at the rate I was fiddling on the talk page it would have taken forever for me to clean it up. So I decided to sent it live in the hope that someone would come along and do my dirty work for me. Lo and behold, it took you four minutes to turn up! :-) Hesperian 13:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah...funny how sometimes they just start to fall into place - a coupla days ago I wasn't sure which one'd be next cab off the rank. Now this one is melding nicely and will be fantastic when Gnangarra gets some snaps :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * PS: Probably worth sticking up at WP:GAN now-ish. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll go over it this weekend. Hesperian 02:12, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't forget, it will also likely stay there for a few weeks, so there is ample time. Like with prionotes, a good thorough systematic review can be really helpful and I find is the rule rather than the exception these days...Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Point taken. "Now-ish" is fine with me. Hesperian 04:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Done now - we can continue tweaking at leisure as there is a backlog anyways. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Photographs
All taken in the same location as the type specimen :) Gnangarra 12:16, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:27, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, that looks like it's in the middle of nowhere. An interesting cross section of photos, nice work! --Melburnian (talk) 12:37, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Hesperian 12:56, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I wouldnt call it the middle of nowhere, it was only a 400km round trip but suffice to say that the kinder probably dont want to see the backseat of the car for the rest of school holidays :), besides I now have to spend a few more hours trawling flora base to identify the other plants I photographed Gnangarra 13:08, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If you need any help with the ID, just give me a yell. Melburnian (talk) 13:27, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

The home stretch....
I saw a couple of other tweaks - Hesp, shall we ask someone to give it a once over or do you want to play with it first? Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * What I want to do—and I can't believe I forgot it for this long—is to produce a distribution map! After that you can do whatever you want with it. Hesperian 13:08, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Gah, you're right. Okay - I will ask Sasata and we'll wait for the map :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Comments by Sasata (talk) 16:16, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "These are a mottled grey colour, smooth, felted with short sort hairs" sort hairs? (oops, typo)
 * mention who Alex George is (yep)
 * "...and no infraspecific taxa have even been published." "infraspecific taxa" is pretty hardcore for the average reader
 * Changed to "no subspecies or varieties have been published"—this discounts forms, but they are pretty rare. Hesperian 23:28, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "There is a park called 'Cuneata Park'" Not sure if single quote marks are correct/consistent usage (removed)
 * "A 1996 cladistic analysis of the genus by Kevin Thiele and Pauline Ladiges yields no information" yields -> yielded, no? and who are Kevin Thiele and Pauline Ladiges? And Mast and Thiele?
 * "Since 1998, Austin Mast has been publishing results of ongoing cladistic analyses of DNA sequence data for the subtribe Banksiinae." where does the subtribe fit into the infrageneric summary directly above? (parent of banksia and dryandra)
 * I think the Infrageneric placement section needs a bit of work to make it more accessible. Examples of stuff that would be very confusing if I didn't know what it meant already:
 * " B. cuneata resolves as sister to a clade" (noted it equals next closest taxon)
 * "but the clade appears fairly derived" (I have added 'well-nested among other species' but heve left in parentheses, maybe can be rephrased better (?))


 * "An endangered species, the Matchstick Banksia" the common name was uncapitalized previously
 * Changed mentions of common name to consistent capitalisation; and converted use of common name to scientific name. Hesperian 00:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge/expand stubby 1st paragraph in "Life cycle and ecology" (done)
 * "though whether it results in successful fruit set is another matter." "a successful fruit set" or "fruit sets" (to me this sounds fine as is, 'set' is a group/abstract noun (?))
 * the term "outcrossing rates" will need a definition or explanation. How is "disturbed population" defined? (I changed 'undisturbed populations' to 'populations in relatively intact bushland' and see following. The crux is the damage or removal of components in the bushland itself. i.e. the plants which form the understorey)
 * "resulting in more genetic structure" ? unclear what is meant by more genetic structure
 * "instead they must rely for pollination upon occasional visitors" -> "...rely on occasional visitors for pollination" sounds better I think (yes and done)
 * "This species produces an unusually high number of cones per plant" What's a cone? It not mentioned in the description (explained)
 * 1st para of conservation needs a source
 * " The Banksia Atlas survey found one population to be on a road verge" haven't heard the expression road verge before, it is the Aussie equivalent of "standing at the crossroads"?
 * It is what you call a tree lawn or nature strip or roadside. Changed to "side of a road". Hesperian 23:37, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "A large part of the surviving populations are on private land, and depend on good relationships with local landowners." unclear what depends on the good relationships
 * fencing and baiting rabbits are mentioned in this section, but its not stated explicitly anywhere what the rabbits would do if they had the chance
 * It is unclear to me why an emphemeral salt river would be a barrier to genetic exchange between populations of Banskia. Why can't pollinating birds fly over the river?
 * That's because you don't understand our inland river systems: Salt River is not so much a river as a long thin floodplain: a ten-kilometre wide boggy chain of salt lakes. I'll have a think about how to make this clearer. Hesperian 23:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * still needs a thorough copyedit to fix tiny details, like commas after "However" and stuff like that. I'll give it another go before your FAC if you'd like
 * Pictures - more please! Really needs one of the whole tree. Something in the lifestyle and ecology section would also be nice to break up the long section of text. Maybe one of the pollinator birds?


 * I have been trying to place images next to corresponding text. I want to get the one in early bud in but damned if i can figure out where to put it. I have just put the one of some terminal inflorescences in. It occurred to me that it would be good to mention that bird-attracting flowers are often showy and terminal and this would be good to mention (and ref) in the caption. Just need a ref for it...Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 15 October 2009 (UTC)