Talk:Bannock Burn

Accuracy & Source
Does anyone know where the information for this article came from? I am a local who lives less than a quarter mile from many of the places mentioned in the article and I have a few issues with its accuracy.

The article mentions a "Cultenhove Fishery". Do they mean Swanswater? A quick Google search will reveal that the only site mentioning the Cultenhove fishery is this one. Furthemore, the location described in the article ties up nicely with the Swanswater Fishery.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=fk7+9qb&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Stirling+FK7+9QB,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=16

The article also mentions the M90. The M90 goes nowhere near Stirling, the M9 does though. It also ties in with the mention of a dam just above Chartershall, immediately adjacent to the M9. I would however, prefer it to say "located approximately 250m West of the edge of Chartershall on the opposite side of the M9" as to describe it as "above Chartershall" tells you nothing of its actual location. The dam which the report refers to may be what is locally known as "The Iron Falls", but the term dam is highly misleading. It is a little more than 6 or 7 metres across and does not hold the water back, it merely slows the flow slightly. The water goes over the top, hence the term "The Iron Falls".

Itemdoes (talk) 14:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I am the guilty party. I wrote it all from comprehensive personal knowledge and was hoping that others would have filled in more detail and expanded it somewhat, adding references etc, as with my other local articles, but that does not seem to be happening.

taking your points in order, Cultenhove Fishery appeared on older maps, but it was known locally as Swan's Water, and the owners seem to have adopted that name for marketing purposes some time since 1970.

Yes, well spotted, it is the M9. Don't know what I was thinking about....

I have never heard the term "Iron Falls". It was just "the weir" when I was young, but not everyone knows what a weir is, so calling it a dam seemed to make more sense. It is intended to divert a portion of the water into the lade which feeds many of the downstream mills and as such was of great importance when the mills were working. In the 1950s and 1960s it was in poor condition, with many stones displaced by vandalism or frost, and was in two sections with an island of solid earth and rock in the middle. That has all gone, having been rebuilt when the M9 was constructed. In average weather, the sluice gate at the weir was set to allow approximately half of the water to pass into the lade. In those days the lade channel was clear, now it is mostly full of weed growth.

You may recall that on the way to the weir from Chartershall, following the path on the south bank of the lade, there was a summer house on the left (not sure who it belonged to) and a smelly mink farm across the lade on the right. Both were destroyed in the great storm of 15th January 1968, and mink, which are small but vicious, were seen as far as St. Ninians and probably beyond.

I need to get back to this asap and fill in some proper references.

86.5.249.141 (talk) 21:02, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Logged in now, I will try again so my ID shows properly,

Tiger99 (talk) 21:06, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I also realise that the article needs a proper geology section. I have plenty of reference material for that and hope to get to it soon, but I am moving house so there will be some delay. Meanwhile I have expanded the mills etc, with locations, added bridges too. What else is there to do with a river? Water quality? Flow rate? Does anyone know about these? If so, feel free.....

Tiger99 (talk) 14:09, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Reworked the excavation stuff, it was called Wallstale, and was in June 1965. I should have known because I was there and found the stone possibly used for sharpening needles, but memory is not always reliable. Early habitation is worth a section on its own, I think, because others will probably be able to add more about that.

Tiger99 (talk) 17:40, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Have done a preliminary geology section and changed a few details. Please feel free to improve this. Tiger99 (talk) 18:59, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

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