Talk:Banu Kalb

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Could someone, a scholar and expert on the topic, please rewrite this article? I came here to learn what Banu Kalb is and am leaving far more ignorant than I arrived. Based on the way the article is written, Banu Kalb is a family of Yemeni Arabs who lived during the time of Mohamed. Elsewhere Banu Kalb is described as a pre Islamic tribe who lived by agricultural means as opposed to other tribes who were nomadic Arabs. After reading this so-called article I am extremely confused. Also, it seems the article was written by someone for whom English is NOT their first language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎108.190.53.6 (talk) 02:58, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Coyote?
"The names of Wabara's sons were as follows: Kalb ("dog"), Asad ("lion"), Namir ("tiger"), Dhi'b ("wolf"), Tha'lab ("fox"), Fahd ("lynx"), Dabu' ("hyena"), Dubb ("bear"), Sid ("coyote") and Sirhan ("jackal")." I suppose some other animal is intended, because coyotes are native to North America and could not be known to these people at that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.34.77.130 (talk) 09:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Semitic Etymology
HLV: Pact KLV: Core - Heart - Brave - Prevalent - Dog M'KLV: Responsibility - Wife - Female - Mistress

Banu Kalb historic timeline

 * 9th BC Proto-Semitic organic population
 * 7th BC South Semitic and Mesopotamian influence present, but doesn't assimilate
 * 3rd BC Mesopotamian cultural influence is supplanted by a Greco-Syriac cultural influence
 * 1st AD Roman wars on Messianic-Jews, Rabbinic Judaism formed and sues for peace
 * 3rd AD Greco-Syriac Christianity infiltration of the Roman Empire
 * 4th AD Byzantine favored Greco-Syriac populations displace the Rabbanic Jewish populations
 * 5th AD Himyarite elite convert to Judaism in an effort to resist Greco-Syriac Christianity
 * 6th AD Christian Axumites defeat Jewish Himyar
 * 6th AD Christian Ghassanids take over Qahtani leadership and assimilate Kalb
 * 7th AD Arab-Islamic cultural influence replaces the Greco-Syriac cultural influence
 * 8th AD Islamized Kalbids replace the Ghassanids as the leaders of Qahtani tribes in the Levant
 * 10th AD Hamdani and Kalbid form the Ismaili core among the Arabs (in addition to Ketama Berbers and Daylam Iranians)
 * 12th AD Ismaili lose power, Kalbid leaders convert to Sunni & Christian (in Sicily)
 * 21st AD Kalbid affiliation reduced to its organic size in Northern Arabia. Kalebian (talk) 07:35, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Translation of Kalb
per WP:BRD you need to discuss your change here rather than edit war. DeCausa (talk) 14:35, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Kalbiyya
Nice job improving this article. The modern Alawite tribe Kalbiyya seem to sometimes be referred to as Banu Kalb and I've found non-RS references to them being the last vestiges of the medieval Banu Kalb, but I've not been able to come to a conclusion one way or the other. You haven't referenced them here: have you found any information on that? DeCausa (talk) 22:32, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks . In short, no—but I’m curious. During some earlier, cursory research I could not find any connection or claims of descent, but I’ll look into it further. Al Ameer (talk) 02:27, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This might be the most we get. From Stefan Winter, History of the Alawis, 2016, p. 99: "Today the Kelbis are frequently cited as one of the four principal ‘Alawi tribal groupings in Syria, but, as already stated, they are never mentioned as such in medieval sources: the Kelbis were not one of the tribes associated with Makzun al-Sinjari, and in the Khayr al-Sani‘a the term appears only a few times, referring specifically in one instance to the coastal region southeast of Latakia (Sahil al-Kalbiyya).23 This is not to suggest that the Kelbi tribe did not exist as a group before (indeed the term may originally have invoked a link with the classical Kelbi bedouin confederation) but that it played no special role within Alawi society before it was discovered and consecrated as the dominant local faction by the Ottoman administration in the sixteenth century." Al Ameer (talk) 03:33, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've added in a reference to that in the Kalbiyya article. DeCausa (talk) 09:43, 10 January 2023 (UTC)