Talk:Banzai! (magazine)

New Banzai! article
You noticed I was starting on the Banzai! list did you? We have a lot of work to do, so I started with the list. Do you have any ideas? : ) –  J U M P G U R U  @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 19:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * First, please stop adding the one-shots. Even for a defunct magazine, they are not notable. They weren't removed from SJ just because of size, but because they aren't a notable thing to note, and best summarized in the feature list as has been done with the others. :) Beyond that, what's your source for the list of series, since its longer than ANNs? In doing web searches to look for info, I'm getting a little concerned that Banzai may not be notable enough to support a standalone article after all, but will keep it going for awhile yet. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I got the source of the series from the German article, a link is by the toolbox. Also, I won't keep adding the one-shots, i just needed a reason for the deletion. –  J U M P G U R U  @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 20:25, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Which German article? The site that was in the infobox doesn't work anymore? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * By the toolbox, the one on the left. Here's the link: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_%28Manga-Magazin%29, it was in the foreign languages. Also where did you get the names of the original German-language manga creators from? –  J U M P G U R U  @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 22:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I found them on a German store site adverting an issue of the magazine :D -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it seems that store is the only source we can rely on....when I look up stuff for sources, it comes up with a copied version of Ataru's old section for Banzai!. StrangerAtaru really needs to keep in mind that the article he created is a really, really, important one. –  J U M P G U R U  @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 00:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Banzai! image
I found a good image for Banzai!. It's at amazon, so I don't know if we can use it or not. But it's a good cover, it has almost all the series on it. –  J U M P G U R U  @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 18:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you give me the link to the original product page? I'll need it for doing a FUR for it. :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 19:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * No problemo! Here's the link: http://www.amazon.de/Banzai/dp/3551757372/ref=sr_1_27?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215546677&sr=8-27 –  J U M P G U R U  @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 19:53, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, added. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 20:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Perfect! –  J U M P G U R U  @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 21:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, the link manga-influenced comics redirects to the OEL page. I don't know what we should do since they really aren't Amerimanga, they're German. –  J U M P G U R U  @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 01:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I know. Unfortunately, they made that naming choice awhile back and don't seemed inclined to change it even though it is inaccurate :( -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That's very....annoying... I'm going to start a talk about that. –  J U M P G U R U  @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 01:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There's an active discussion going on there about renaming it and what the category should/shouldn't include. We've been waiting for people to jump in. :) -- hamu♥hamu  ( TALK ) 01:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Good to hear. OEL just isn't accurate anymore :) -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Tell me about it, but the alternatives all have their faults, too. *beats head on desk* -- hamu♥hamu  ( TALK ) 01:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed...though I'm glad, at least, that Wikipedia isn't pulling a TP and just calling it all "manga" :-P -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Like what Tokyopop does, that freakin' drives me crazy! –  J U M P G U R U  @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 02:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, that's the eternal difficulty. There has to be a division or the category would be out of control, so I fully support separating Japanese comics off, but "manga" is what a huge chunk people, including a lot of otaku, call "that kind" of stuff, regardless of national origin.  The word has multiple, ever-changing meanings in English, and isn't used consistently in any one way by a huge majority of people.  After all, in Japan it just means "comics" and includes stuff from any country.  Using it as a categorization tool simultaneously while using it varying ways in colloquial speech makes for some tough patches.  I used to sell a&m for a living and would get annoyed by Tokyopop and when (99% of) customers called non-Japanese stuff "manga"...then I realized that most people just don't give a crap, and they're referring to a type of product they enjoy, not to a national identity.  It's nice to know where things come from and have that as a background as you're reading, but in the end they're all comics. :)  (Hope you don't take offense -- none is intended!)  -- hamu♥hamu  ( TALK ) 02:17, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Sourcing n' stuff
Sourcing will be a sinch with the Wayback machine! Now I can find all the old pages, instantly. I was just trying to use the archive template...but it keeps screwing up.... –  J U M P G U R U  @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 22:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * To source with the wayback machine, its the same as cite web, except url should have the original URL, while the wayback machine link goes in the parameter "archiveurl" and the date of the archive (listed on wayback) goes under archivedate. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 22:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

More stuff
http://replay.web.archive.org/20070810185820/http://www.banzai-online.de/serien/ I'm trying to find archives of these Carlsen pages
 * Lemme see if http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.banzai-online.de/serien/yugioh/index.html works...
 * There is http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.banzai-online.de/serien/yugioh/start.html ...
 * But http://replay.web.archive.org/20051122154820/http://www.banzai-online.de/serien/yugioh/start.html is a blank screen!!!!
 * http://replay.web.archive.org/*/http://www.banzai-online.de/serien/yugioh/000_start.swf was the flash file

WhisperToMe (talk) 22:21, 29 April 2011 (UTC)