Talk:Bara (genre)

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Adding outdated tag
I'm adding Template:Update to this article, for two primary reasons:
 * 1) The article doesn't seem to have been substantially edited in 2-4 years now, so there is a fair amount of outdated information - publishing imprints and magazines that have folded, major works that have been released, etc.
 * 2) This is more contentious, but I think it's worth re-visiting whether "bara" is is still the best and most appropriate nomenclature to refer to this genre of works. I'd argue that in the subsequent years since this article was written, the more neutral (and more accepted by the creators of the genre) "gay manga" has become more accurate a descriptor. Morgan695 (talk) 06:21, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The main problem I see with "gay manga" is that it would seem in a literal sense to include yaoi. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 15:15, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I get the confusion, but "gay manga" is a discrete category, rather than a descriptive term for "manga with gay content." It's an genre and a classification that is distinct from yaoi. "Bara" is also inaccurate, as many of the major creators named in this article explicitly reject the label. At bare minimum, the section on the etymology on "bara" needs updating to reflect how the term is considered a pejorative in Japan, and the article in general needs to be clearer about how "bara" as a descriptive term to refer to this kind of art is a purely western phenomenon. Morgan695 (talk) 17:15, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Just as an addendum, I guess my overall read here is this: it seems like a majority of this article was written nearly a decade ago, in 2009-2010, when "bara" was a term used by Western fans to describe a style of art that they shared on a message boards and blogs and the like; primary research on the matter either didn't exist, or wasn't in English. Now that we have sources like that - books like Massive and The Passion of Gengoroh Tagame, actual firsthand interviews with Tagame and other creators - a lot about the article seems out of date, both in terms of actual facts (e.g. publishers that have gone out of business and the like, as I mentioned) as well as the limitations of the term "bara." Morgan695 (talk) 17:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You may be correct, but keep in mind that the determining question is not what it's called by Japanese sources (and what the creators prefer), but what it's commonly called in English sources. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 22:09, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Massive: Gay Erotic Manga and the Men Who Make It, which is more or less the definitive English-language primary source for information on this topic, uses "gay manga" and specifically eschews "bara." I reviewed WP:DIVIDEDUSE, and it doesn't seem to provide a specific remedy for when the 'correct' term used in primary sources ("gay manga") conflicts with a popular colloquial term ("bara"). Perhaps Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves is the best option here? Morgan695 (talk) 22:55, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll save the topic of a name change for a future date - though I still think it's worth discussing - but for now, I have revised the page to the best of my ability, sourcing Massive: Gay Erotic Manga and the Men Who Make It to further explain the etymology of "bara" and revise outdated info. Morgan695 (talk) 03:08, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

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