Talk:Barangay

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Baranggay or Barangay
Is the official spelling correct? Is there supposed to be one g and is there officially an ng pronounciation or not ? I need this info for translations.--Jondel 06:44, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

The official spelling is Barangay. Ng is actually just one letter out of the 23 letters in the Pilipino alphabet. This letter is one of the most used letter in the Pilipino language. The letter ng is read as "nang". When added to a word, pronunciation may vary depending on whether you're adding a letter before or after the letter ng. See ng on the following word examples such as ngayon(now), ngunit(but), galang(respect)and bawang(garlic). Also, when ng is found in between letters, words are also pronounced differently. Examples: dalangin(prayer), kailangan(needs), alanganin(in doubt).

pronunciation may vary This is wrong. (In the examples s/he gave, the pronounciation of ng is all the same.) Perhaps in other dialects it may be, but in Tagalog (the Philippines' national language), pronounciation of a particular letter never varies. The only exceptions are the words "ng", and "mga". Yes, "ng" itself is a word, and is also a letter, but those two concepts have no relation to each other. It just so happened that such is the case. "Ng", when used as a word by itself, is pronounced as "naŋ". "Ng" as a word roughly translates to the english phrase "of the". When used as a letter, it is pronounced as "ŋ". But if you want to say the letter "ng" itself (for example, if you're reciting the Tagalog alphabet) you pronounce each individual letter, as in "en ɟi". (Meanwhile "mga" is pronounced "maŋa". "Mga" is a word that is used to connote the plurality of a noun.) --121.96.254.204 (talk) 17:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe Baranggay is more proper. A rule in the Tagalog language is: the way you pronounce it is the spelling. For the sake of explanation: meaning to say that if the word "apple" was Tagalog, it would have been spelled as "apol". The ng is a separate letter as mentioned, and it is pronounced as in the word "fang" (Say the word "fang". Then say it again without pronouncing the first two letters. That is how you pronounce the Tagalog ng. In IPA, it is "ŋ"). Barangay would be pronounced as "bara" and "ngay" (but pronounced together, I only split them apart so you can see how it gets pronounced), in IPA this is "baraŋaj". While Baranggay would be pronounced as "barang" and "guy" (notice the extra g makes the last syllable be pronounced as "guy" instead of "ngay"), again, in IPA, this is "baraŋgaj". --121.96.254.204 (talk) 17:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


 * In English, barangay is valid, In the Tagalog Wikipedia, baranggay would be valid. -- Howard  the   Duck  06:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Pilipino o Tagalog
Ano ba talaga ang tunay na wika ng mga pilipino? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.57.154.106 (talk) 20:22, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This is the English wikipedia. There is a Pilipino one, since that is the language of the Philippines. Very few people speak Tagalog there. Presidentbalut (talk) 18:32, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * According to Google Translate, an English translation of the question is, "What really is the true language of the Philippines?". With the terms really and true in it, that question is not answerable in a neutral and verifiable manner. Also, this is hardly an appropriate forum for such a question unless its relationship to the associated WP article is clarified. Some info about the answer to such a question might be found in the Languages of the Philippines article, particularly in the Languages of the Philippines section. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:17, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Smallest Administrative unit?
Barangay Ned, Lake Sebu, South Cotabato is a very large, rural barangay with many smaller and widely spaced settlement areas called sitios. Though I don't know for sure, I imagine that other rural areas have similar situations. I do not know, however, if the sitios have their own mini governments. There is also a translation issue here, since both "sitio" and "barangay" can be translated as "village". Any thoughts? Jlygrnmigt (talk) 19:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that the term smallest political unit is preferrable than "smallest administrative unit" since the barangay is an independent political organization. It does not refer to the relative land area or size of a particular barangay but to the political unit in its entirety...god bless.. Charlie alpha (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It can be. Some sitios are larger than in any barangays but in general term, barangay is the smallest political and administrative unit in the Philippines. Beside that, sitios doesn't have mini governments. Village however are subdivisions (gated or walled community) here in the Philippines in which they're not considered as an administrative unit. See Sitio and Village for confirmation. Kampfgruppe (talk) 04:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Barangay officials
Provincial and municipal board members are elected for three years and a maximum of 3 consecutive terms. Does the same rule apply to Barangay councils? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.65.156.142 (talk) 16:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Elected barangay officials can't be reelected for a 4th consecutive time. – HTD  ( ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens. ) 08:55, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Right. See Section 43 at http://www.chanrobles.com/localgov1.htm (trust, but verify). Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:21, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * This should've been at the article. – HTD  ( ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens. ) 07:37, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

How can the Spaniards discover Barangay in the Philippines, if Marcos invented them?
The article states that President Ferdinand Marcos created the barangay. Yet the article also states that when the Spaniards came, they discovered barangay everywhere. So the Spaniards came AFTER Marcos then? Presidentbalut (talk) 15:25, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see, the article explains this pretty well. The article in no way implies that the Spanish came after Marcos, as far as I can tell. The article mentions Marcos only twice, in a single paragraph. Please re-read that paragraph. If you have a specific disagreement with something in the article, please clarify your disagreement and suggest an improvement. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 18:12, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, Marcos created the barangay in the 20th century. The Spanish saw the barangay when they arrived. Therefore the article implies that the Spanish did not arrive until the 1900's. Gets mo ba? It is sad that the quality of Philippines articles is always terribly poor and cannot be improved. Presidentbalut (talk) 18:30, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Barangay council ex officio members
Is this right? – The council formerly had seven elected members plus the SK captain and the local ABC president. However, the whole matter of the SK has been put into abeyance, and the captain no longer has a seat on the council. Is the same true of the ABC president, that there is no longer any ex officio council position?--Roger Camotes (talk) 23:38, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This apparently concerns content in the second paragraph of the Organization section. It seems to me that this content should be updated to include some information from Sangguniang Kabataan. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:31, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That's right. I assume the local ABC president remains as "the voice of the barangays".--Roger Camotes (talk) 12:43, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 4 September 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not moved &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:59, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

– WP:NEOLOGISM and WP:NOPRIMARYTOPIC. "Barangay" both refers to the traditional and modern polity. There are no terms to distinguish each one from the other. It is better to create a disambiguation page rather than inventing terms for each. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 15:30, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Barangay → Barangay (modern)
 * Ancient barangay → Barangay (traditional)
 * Oppose Barangay, the current administrative unit, is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Nowhere in the Ancient barangay article refers to it as "traditional barangay". Also: "Traditional barangay": 45 results vs "Ancient barangay": 144 results. Ancient barangay should be a neutral, common, and natural disambiguation compared to traditional or pre-colonial/prehispanic. And its not neologism based on those Google Books entries and the article itself refers to it as "ancient barangays".--RioHondo (talk) 16:04, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. The word "barangay" refers to both the modern and ancient polity. Using an adjective in front of one over the other is a neologism because the thousands of books and articles about this word does not distinguish between either one. 144 articles isn't widespread usage. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 20:59, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The WP:PRIMARYTOPIC which is the first thing that comes to mind when people hear "barangay" is still the modern subdivision which people use in their addresses and for which regular elections are held. The ancient barangay is far from being the primary topic. The modern and ancient barangays are two different concepts with completely different political structures hence two separate articles just like commune vs medieval commune. Barangay as it is used today is the primary topic.--RioHondo (talk) 04:05, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose. "First thing that comes to mind" is a subjective criteria. But we do have page view stats. Barangay is getting 732 views a day compared to 50 for ancient barangay.|Barangay Pandas and people (talk) 06:31, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment It used to get 130 views before it got moved. "Ancient barangay" is a neologism. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 04:15, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. 732 views per day for the modern unit versus 130 views per day (it actually says 74 views per day) for the ancient one, there is no contest there as to the existence of a primary topic.--RioHondo (talk) 12:31, 11 September 2016 (UTC)


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