Talk:Barbara Hines (lawyer)

Notability

 * I came to this page because I had started an article on an artist also named Barbara Hines and I was flagged. The page may have been prompted by her retirement, certainly it has a POV or partisan tone.  Hines was a lifelong legal and political activist in Austin, the town where she went to college.   Qeustion is notability.  Much of what supports notability are 2 appearances on The Rag radio program, this seems to be a very small "underground" / alternative newspaper/radio broadcast, but it is not an independent one.  She was staff according to her page and according to the newspaper's page, "The Rag would become virtually indistinguishable from the community it served, helping to coalesce and mobilize the movement in Austin."  The only other source on page that offers an in depth focus on Hines and her career is The Austin Chronicle, another local, "alternative weekly."  She may just be too local, and the coverage may be too slight to pass WP:GNG.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:46, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Having tagged the page for notability and sourcing, I was contacted by Mbcoats to return and remove tags on the grounds that the issues I raised had been dealt with.  I do not see that they have.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:56, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * As another monitoring editor, I agree. This article is still very problematic and borderline deleteable. Sulfurboy (talk) 02:46, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I really have to disagree. Aside from her being noted by the Texas Observer, the New Yorker and apparently two different actual printed books by reliable publishers, all cited in the article, a quick search shows she's written for the Huffington Post and covered substantially in a long New York Times Magazine article earlier this year. She's at least as notable as the artist if not more. There is a slight promotional tone here and there in the article, but it's been improved a good deal by the original author and could be easily further improved in the course of normal editing if it bothers anyone.  There's no way this article should be deleted, and the tags should be removed, especially the notability tag. Dabdo (talk) 06:25, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I have replaced the notability and advert tags, here's why:
 * There is only one solid source attesting to notability, an article in the local daily (Austin Chronicle) marking the retirement of this attorney, a local immigration rights activist.
 * Other sources include:
 * A New Yorker article that quotes Hines as an attorney who works in immigration, but the article topic is immigration rights, not Hines
 * An article from the The Rag, a local newspaper for which Hines wrote
 * An article from The Texas Observer local voice of the progressive movement.
 * As User:Sulfurboy says, "This article is still very problematic and borderline deleteable." I abjure User:Dabdo not to remove the tags again unless better sources are supplied.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:09, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I am not in agreement with E.M.Gregory.
 * If you refer to the multiple sources you'll find confirmation of Hines' importance on the Hutto issue and on immigration rights.
 * Where you list the other sources, I do not believe your implied concerns discredits their value.
 * Hines wrote for the The Rag in the 1970s. The source referenced was the Rag Radio, an independent interview program that interviews notable persons, such as U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, Jim Hightower, media critic Robert McChesney, and honky-tonk legend Dale Watson.  Are you suggesting this source is not valid?
 * Are you suggesting that a source that has a progressive point of view, such as the 61 year old Texas Observer is not credible?
 * Lastly, you omitted the article from The Austin Chronicle, a significant print news source in central Texas.  Mbcoats (talk) 03:39, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * E.M.Gregory, I did not remove the tags, so please be more careful who you "abjure" (I assume you meant "adjure"). I am about to remove them, however, because there is no consensus for them and you seem to ignore the sources I pointed out. Why do you think the NY Times Magazine article does not establish notability by itself? She's also been quoted elsewhere in the NY Times and LA Times. Why do you think the two books cited are not "solid sources"? Why is a "local voice of the progressive movement" that was a National Magazine Award finalist automatically to be dismissed?  Even if any one source is dismissed, why do you think all sources cumulatively do not establish notability?  If you believe she is not notable, I recommend an AfD nomination, but otherwise the notability tag serves no purpose. The issue of a promotional tone is borderline, but if you want to point out a few sentences that you think need improvement, I will rewrite them. Otherwise, I think the article is okay, and since you quote User:Sulfurboy as backup, I will quote User:BDD from their talk page: "At a glance, Mbcoats, I think you've improved the article and can remove the tags." Dabdo (talk) 05:46, 11 July 2015 (UTC)