Talk:Barbara Seagram

Notability
The person in question is a bestselling author in a legitimate genre. Her coauthors Marc Smith and David Bird have accomplished less, and both have (and indeed should have) pages on wikipedia.
 * I have declined the speedy deletion tag and removed both it and its accompanying hangon tag; I think the sheer number of published books qualifies as notability. (And since I have a couple of these books, I know they're not self-published.)  I'd suggest that if Ms. Seagram has any experience representing Canada at, say, the Venice Cup or the Bermuda Bowl, that would be a useful addition to demonstrate notability.  Similarly, any wins at national tournaments might be useful citations.  I would disagree with the above assertion about David Bird, whom I believe is much better known -- luckily, it has no bearing on this situation.  Accounting4Taste: talk 17:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * She is a Silver Life Master, but I believe it's her accomplishments as an author, not a bridge player, that justify her prescence on wikipedia. I will add citations however.Mirrorstone —Preceding undated comment added 17:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Citations added. Can the notes be removed?Mirrorstone —Preceding undated comment added 18:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC).
 * I was looking for the national/international level experience in case she met the requirements of WP:ATHLETE, as I've just demonstrated for her co-author Marc Smith. Although the references are not as solid as for Mr. Smith, I think I can safely remove the tags; I have discussed this with the editor who tagged them and, if he or anyone else has questions or problems, they can contact me directly on my talk page.  Accounting4Taste: talk 18:11, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! I'm also trying to create an entry for 25 Conventions, as it's sold more than 100,000 copies. Will there be issues with that?Mirrorstone —Preceding undated comment added 18:16, 23 February 2010 (UTC).
 * If Ms. Seagram has ever won a major event at a National, that would be very useful information to bolster her notability; a reference to that win in an ACBL publication would be conclusive, I think. I think the book would be notable because of the award, and I would make that a prominent feature of the article, but I have to say that not everyone will necessarily agree that the ABTA is automatically a granter of notability; you may have to defend that.  If you have problems, or questions about Wikipedia policy, feel free to leave me a note on my talk page and I'll help if I can.  Accounting4Taste: talk 18:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The (underconstruction) tag is a compromise; I agree with the original tagger that it seems justified. I would urge you to find and add any evidence of notability for Ms. Seagram as I've suggested above; you may know her tournament record better than I, and I can't access it on-line.  I'd call her notability "debatable" at this point, and the debate will probably continue, so your efforts would be well spent.  If you have questions, I'm at your service.  Accounting4Taste: talk 18:25, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I will do my best, but her notability is as an author and bridge teacher, not player. I still feel her inclusion justified.--Mirrorstone (talk) 18:37, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I did the research, but there is no tournament record that justifies her inclusion. Her credentials are as an author. She's written for the ACBL's magazine, the Bridge Bulletin, so I added that, along with the fact that she's a Silver Life Master. I moved the mention of her bridge school down, as if she was merely a bridge teacher with a school, her inclusion admittedly wouldn't be justified. If this is sufficient, please remove the (underconstruction) tag.--Mirrorstone (talk) 16:59, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * While, to my knowledge, Barbara Seagram does not have a lot of playing experience at a national level, she is without question one of the most well-known bridge teachers in North America. Her bestselling book, 25 Bridge Conventions You Should Know, has sold over 100,000 copies (an impressive feat for a bridge book) and sales of the book have not slowed or faltered since it's publication in 1999 (and that's just the first in a series of many, many books).  At amazon.com the book is rated as 5 star and has over 30 unique reviews on its merit. []  She tours the globe giving bridge lectures [][], she hosts teaching bridge cruises, she has taught in countries as far as Japan (the opposite side of the globe of where she lives) and I seriously doubt that anyone who knows the bridge world in north america would object to her inclusion as having made a notable contribution to Bridge.  Kivgaen  —Preceding undated comment added 17:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC).

Conflict of interest
Closing the lead paragraph re 25 Bridge Conventions (quote): "This book is in its 13th. printing and has been translated into French, German, Japanese and Danish. It has been named the top selling bridge book of the last 50 years."

Last hour I tagged that citation needed. Evidently Seagram contributed it herself, October 2012 edit by User:Bseagram

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