Talk:Barefoot trim

Does this article need to exist?
Isn't all this covered pretty well under Barefoot horses?--Getwood (talk) 23:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, sort of. There is a section on it... but I was hoping to go in depth a bit here, with some cool photos.....  plus, if I was looking up barefoot trims on wikipedia, I don't think it would occur to me to type in 'barefoot horses'.... open to suggestion tho.  --AeronM (talk) 01:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * One option would be to redirect, like barefoot movement does. Then you could expand the section under that page.  I think this area certainly needs to be expanded.  It would be great to have a plus/minus of each of the schools of thought.  You know this better than I do, but theree could be a Strasser section, a Ramey section, four point trim, etc.  Each, of course, has its merits and each has some weaknesses.  But it would be great to see it all in one spot, so that people could see the similarities and the differences and figure things out for themselves.  I think barefoot horse is probably the most NPOV title, since "barefoot movement" and "barefoot trim" mean specific things to some people.


 * On the other hand, barefoot horses does direct here from the barefoot trim section, so maybe this page would be the right page for the expansion you had planned. You could even start it out with a disambiguation statement like: "For the purpose of this article, the term 'barefoot trim' will be used as a general term describing all of the types of trimming where a hoof is maintained without shoes." (Or something like that.  I just know that I offended a 4-pointer when I described it as a 'barefoot trim'...)--Getwood (talk) 16:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I like your suggestion and will add disambig sentence.  --AeronM (talk) 13:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm. also think you might be right about redirect and expand trim section on Barefoot horse page..... --AeronM (talk) 13:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * My vote would be to put it together here. If it seems compact enough, maybe it should move.  If it gets too big, maybe it needs its own home.--Getwood (talk) 14:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok, I agree. I have fleshed out the barefoot horse page a bit, but would still like to merge per your suggestion.  Should we re-title the 'barefoot horse' page "Barefoot Trim?"  and then redirect 'barefoot horse' to 'barefoot trim?'  --AeronM (talk) 17:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I can see two potential issues worth considering in renaming the barefoot horse page. First, The creators of the barefoot horse page may have strong feelings about the title.  Figuring out the main authors and inviting a discussion would probably be the way to go as far as that goes.


 * Secondly, the more general term 'barefoot horse' might be slightly more general and all-inclusive. For example, there could (maybe should) be a whole section dedicated to the observations on feral horses.  There could also be a section with a title like 'barefoot period' or something like that which could talk about the common practice of giving shod horses some time without shoes every year for the hooves to recover.


 * I still think that Wikipedia would be a great place for a compare/contrast between the different styles of barefoot trimming. I have never seen a good unbiased comparison of the different techniques.  For example, Strasser likes to cut out the bars, where (from what I understand) Ramey does not.  The 'Mustang roll' brings back the breakover point, but not as radically as the four-point trim.  Strasser believes every foot should be at the same angle, while most others do not.  All, of course, see the naturally well-worn foot as the paradigm, but see the way forward somewhat differently.


 * We have butted heads before, and worked our way out of it. I hope we can continue to work together.  I think that differences of opinion are good, in that it makes us dig deeper to understand our own philosophies.  So, since there might be times when we disagree again, I promise to be as unbiased as I can, and try to provide constructive comments.  :)--Getwood (talk) 19:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure what butting heads has to do with this discussion... seemed to be a fairly regular discussion of the article but maybe I have missed something?   I agree with much of what you have said here... including that the title 'Barefoot horse' would seem more all-encompassing of the topic.  I will have 'barefoot trim' redirect there and continue to flesh out the trim section per your suggestions.  --AeronM (talk) 19:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I have added merge tags to Barefoot trim and Barefoot horses, the discussion link pointing here. --Una Smith (talk) 19:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, AeronM has made Barefoot trim a redirect, now to Barefoot horses. --Una Smith (talk) 20:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)