Talk:Baritone saxophone

David Bowie
Sure, David Bowie may have played the bari sax, but I think most would agree that he isn't known for being a saxophonist. This is a case of hardcore Bowie fans always praising everything he did like he was a god. He can play the saxophone, yes, but certainly not a technical master or even a prolific player. I think he should be removed from this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.140.247.111 (talk) 22:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Weight
A Bari Sax can weigh any where from 15 to 25 pounds. It depends on the model, year, and maker. I playu a bari that weighs 21 pounds.

Flat signs
The new flat signs don't look good, and the commas/semicolons are messed up. Badagnani 06:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

New additions
If Nick Brignola, Gary Smulyan, and Ronnie Cuber are notable enough to warrant mention in the "notable players" section, why is there a Wikipedia article for none of them? Badagnani 17:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC) Sluzzelin 20:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No one has added them yet? Seriously, jazz seems to be one of wikipedia's neglected stepchildren. I'm a Wiki-newbie, but once I've become more experienced I will add some other noteworthy jazz artists. Of course Claire Daly and multi-instrumentalist James Carter would be further notable baritone players to be included. References are the annual Down Beat readers' and critics' polls of the past few years. Unfortunately I can't access them online and don't have the printed Down Beat issues upon me for quotes. I did find http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:ZC2QwT33-hoJ:www.divajazz.com/articles/downbeat_poll.pdf+downbeat+poll+baritone+smulyan&hl=en&gl=ch&ct=clnk&cd=4&ie=UTF-8 and http://jazzjournalistsawards.com/music.html (of course Nick Brignola isn't with us anymore, so you wont find him in any current poll.) I also conducted a google-count and Joe Temperley has 20''700 counts, The players you ask about have more counts (Nick Brignola has 32'200, Gary Smulyan has 46'300, Cecil Payne has 71'100, Ronnie Cuber has 74'900). For these reasons I believe they deserve to be mentioned in the 'notable players' section and, as suggested by you, also each merit their own Wikipedia articles.


 * Jazz is rather neglected period - hadn't you noticed its heyday was decades ago? Considering the length of the article, I think we should probably just stick to those historically famous, otherwise we're just going to have a giant player list here and it's going to overshadow the actual article text. &brvbar; Reisio 12:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes I had noticed that :P. Given the influence jazz has had on soul, funk, rock&roll, rock, pop etc I consider it equally relevant to, say, classical music, whose heyday was more than just decades ago.  For this reason I would like to see more and more informative jazz articles on Wikipedia. It doesn't matter to me whether you delete the baritone saxophonists I added or not. But if you do, don't you agree that Joe Temperley gets a lot of attention in this article? (He IS a solid player, don't get me wrong. Anyway I already explained my reasoning in the last post: Down Beat Polls and google-count.)84.75.129.157 15:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC) Sorry forgot to log in. Signed Sluzzelin 15:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

How come Steve Kupka is not mentioned?

Infobox
I don't understand how to read baritone notes!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.150.237 (talk) 12:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

The infobox just added is wrong in terms of the lower range. It goes down to low A, not B-flat on most instruments. Please fix this. Badagnani 22:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It may go down to low A on most modern instruments, but there are those of us who believe this to be an aesthetical abomination, and play the instrument that remains true to the original design. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.98.255.115 (talk) 23:46, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Simpson's
lisa simpson blatantly does not play the bari sax for two main reasons. one the saophone featured in the simpson's does not bear resemplance to a bari, it has no neck loop. and two: she is eight years old, how many eight year olds have either the lung capacity or are physically large enough to play a bari? I would approximate a Bari sax is taller than most 8 year olds. 86.112.209.90 22:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with that, but... who knows, does it really matter in the end? Whsitchy 22:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * This says it's probably a baritone: http://www.snpp.com/guides/lisa-3.html Badagnani 23:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter, but for the record, it looks like a curved soprano or a alto. What it sounds like however, is a tenor or alto, that site doesnt know sax for crap, and 'probably' isent good enough.Turnni1

Sorry folks, I played baritone saxophone for many years and the sound is definitely a bari -- some notes ranges below that which can be hit by the tenor sax. Lisa's bari is played by musician Terry Harrington. Terry is promoted as being "Lisa Simpson's baritone sax": http://www.media.wayne.edu/release.php?id=384 http://www.ufo-bass.com/woodwind.htm.

You can see the bari sax (and no tenor sax) credits on all the songs where Lisa plays the saxophone: http://www.snpp.com/guides/discog.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Songs_in_the_Key_of_Springfieldhttp: //www.mmguide.musicmatch.com/album/album.cgi?ALBUMID=703872

The artwork is not technically correct for any sax. It appears to looks to me to be a bari/tenor hybrid, with up and then downsharp curvature more like the bari (the tenor is a much more gradual bend). But most pictures lack the bari's full loop (but some actually have the downward dip from the mouthpiece). Lisa is too small to play either tenor and bari, and they are definately scaled to make it seem she can reach the keys -- but you have to give the artists a creative pass (it is a cartoon!)http://www.jazzeddie.f2s.com/sax&Lisa_simpson.htmhttp://www.shmuelyosef.com/Saxophones/Lisa_history.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.134.205 (talk) 00:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I have played bari sax for 4 years. I played tenor for 2. They sound alot more different and have different looks. Lisa plays a tenor, not a bari.

It is so unbelievably obvious that Lisa plays the baritone sax, primarily based on the fact that it sounds EXACTLY like a baritone sax. Sometimes an alto and tenor can sound similar, but the baritone sounds nothing like either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.31.171.127 (talk) 20:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Let's please end this school-kid nonsense - it is a baritone sax, it's played by Terry Harrington, this is probably easily verifiable, and it's basically just trivia. - Special-T (talk) 03:42, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Dec 2011 major cleanup
I just excised lots of trivia, uncited and random statements, general illiteracies, and what seemed like editors putting every bari player they've heard of in this article. It needs a lot of work - hopefully we can build up this article with good, cited, appropriately weighted information. - Special-T (talk) 23:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

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F baritones
I just removed this statement: "Adolphe Sax also produced a baritone saxophone in F intended for orchestral use, but these fell into disuse as the saxophone never became a standard orchestral instrument." It is uncited, and contradicted by a cited statement earlier in the article: https://bandestration.com/2014/12/07/saxophones-in-f-and-c/ Special-T (talk) 17:37, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

High F# keys
I just reverted an edit that claimed high F# keys are extremely uncommon on baritone saxes. I looked at pictures of the intermediate level baris on the Woodwind & Brasswind website and most of them have high F# keys. Without exhaustive statistics, I think we're pretty safe in saying it's not uncommon. - Special-T (talk) 00:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)