Talk:Baron Berkeley

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The correct URL for Reference #1 is: http://www2.glos.ac.uk/bgas/tbgas/v015/bg015089.pdf Ninanta (talk) 21:55, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2016
Mossley1 (talk) 15:15, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. 🔯 Sir Joseph 🍸 (talk) 15:24, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Changes to be made regarding the dormant title coming out of dormancy and a new earl. Mossley1 (talk) 09:42, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * No Harry, your hoax has no traction here. Muffled Pocketed  09:59, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

May I ask the evidence against this title? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mossley1 (talk • contribs) 10:20, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * the issue is lack of any evidence for it; it is up to you, or anyone seeking to add this, to provide a reliable, published source as required by the Verifiability policy. Re-establishment of an earldom would have been notified in the London Gazette. By the way, if the idea should occur to you of making up a fake London Gazette page, don't bother - that has been tried before by an "Earl Roberts". JohnCD (talk) 16:04, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Or the person in question provided a letter patent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mossley1 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * A piece of paper is not enough. Wikipedia requires a published source so that it can be checked. A claimed earldom which is not mentioned in the London Gazette is a WP:REDFLAG situation which would require exceptionally good sources. JohnCD (talk) 17:15, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

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John Smith of Nibley
“The epithets of each baron were coined by John Smith of Nibley (d.1641), steward of the Berkeley estates”

How was this done for baronies created long after his death? And why were these particular names chosen? Clarity needed. 31.94.64.80 (talk) 10:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Over reliance on 17th century source
Complete Peerage (which we are also citing) and other modern sources disagree with Smith about the feudal title being equivalent to a peerage. I think we need to remove that claim. Andrew Lancaster (talk) 13:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)