Talk:Barrel roll

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Copyright junk prevented me from posting an img, can someone do it? Armanalp 14:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC) hi my name is jeff--75.136.17.188 (talk) 22:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)HiēčđďĎČčĐŵŶ

Aileron roll
Should the page mention the difference between the two? Many people think that an aileron roll is a barrel roll. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class= 22:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * More than half of the rolls described in the article are not barrel rolls. Including the definition at the head of the article. The "stupid" definition (i.e. misuse of the term) seems to be better suited to the simpletons that write (and read) Wikipedia. Maybe they don't like simply calling a roll a roll ... it somehow sounds better as a "barrel roll" even if that's not what it is. It's probably a waste of time to try to make the article conform to what a barrel roll really is. Some brain donor is sure to come along almost immediately and "correct" it back to the bullshit definition. You can't keep The Stupid from taking over Wikipedia; it seems to be what it's for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.207.225.70 (talk) 00:29, 17 March 2013 (UTC)  barufraiul e o cu na sua bunda troxa


 * You are more than welcome to discuss any problems you see. If you have better sources, please feel free to bring them because, if I've been doing them wrong all of these years, I would like to know how I can improve my aerobatics. Zaereth (talk) 21:49, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Barrel roll on skis
The instructional portion of this section is in violation of Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information of WP:NOT, under subsection 4, "Instruction Manuals". Step-by-step instructions are considered unencyclopedic by official policy, but it would be acceptable to reword it in a less instructional tone ("The person to perform the barrel roll approaches a jump with both hands held at shoulder level, then throws his or her right arm toward their left hip", etc.). ~ Eidako 02:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I see.. Armanalp 15:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, serious business and all that jazz, right? If you have a problem with it try fixing it yourself. I wonder if there's a wiki somewhere that IS an "indiscriminate collection of information". --64.246.116.255 01:08, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This ski thing does not belong on this page. It doesn't even make sense. --AW 08:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

In combat
The combat manuever described has a link to overshoot but the aviation definition of overshooting, as it says is to abort a landing. Which doesn't make sense, so either the definition of overshoot need to be adjusted or the link should go, because it's just confusing.Atzel 18:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Done, I've removed the link. Armanalp 18:16, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've added to the definition of Overshoot (aviation), so a link can be installed. Zaereth (talk) 00:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

In "Internet Meme" category, but no information on the meme?
DragoonWraith 05:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC): OK, so we all (er... Internet nerds like myself) know that the phrase "Do a barrel roll!" became famous after Peppy shouted it at the beginning of Star Fox 64, and that the phrase has been used in a myriad of situations on the Internet; it is, in fact, an Internet meme. But there's no information about that here. Do A Barrel Roll redirects to the list of Star Fox characters, to the Peppy section, which does mention that the phrase has become a popular Internet fad, but that can't be in the Internet Meme category (unless you can categorize redirects? I've never tried it). So, does anyone have any information about the meme or how it got started (seeing as Star Fox 64 came out in 1997, it seems likely that it only became a meme later) or anything like that?


 * As is so often the case with Internet memes, 4chan gets the credit/blame. Suffice to say, somebody made the mistake of asking /b/ for advice, and "Do a barrel roll" was one of the few non-obscene replies. Unfortunately, this leaves us with the usual dearth of citable sources for anything 4chan-related. &mdash; Red XIV (talk) 10:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahh, you gotta love Anonymous, eh? What about rebooting the router to get a new IP?  That is often referred to as a barrel roll... I suppose we don't have cite able sources, so I'll throw that out there and be back later with sources.204.49.209.155 17:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * One thing that could be mentioned is that the total randomness of Peppy's quip is what lent it to become a meme. Gargomon251 23:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Interestingly, the folks who watch the pokemon wikipedia entry seem to have sworn a blood oath to prevent the mudkip meme from entering their fiefdom. Why is the barrel roll meme ok here but the mudkip meme not ok there? Cratylus3 18:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Been waiting SO long for this article. Thankyou for finaly making it, we need to add the mudkip meme into the mudkip article now. EDIT: wow it's been here 2 years and I never saw it before!--194.80.204.29 15:57, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I think "Do A Barrel Roll" originated on YTMND before it found its way to 4chan. The first reference on YTMND is here: http://ytmnd.com/sites/profile/1336, which was posted on 4/28/2004. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.86.26.15 (talk) 18:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I think "Do A Barrel Roll" is not a notable enough meme to be worth mentioning in this article. Unlike other memes with Wikipedia articles, such as Numa Numa, there's no mention of "Do A Barrel Roll" from any reputable sources (YTMND wiki doesn't count) Thomsonmg2000 (talk) 22:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC) Go to Bungie.net, click the flood. You'll think it's noticible then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Areifunnah (talk • contribs) 06:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

the meme not mentioned here (which is the only (!) reason I would EVER IN MY LIFE have heard of a barrel roll being a thing is one reason I would never donate to Wikipedia... (the other is Wikipedia not being politically neutral, of course) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:871:25C:680F:E164:8EB4:D649:D9F2 (talk) 22:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * See Do a barrel roll. The meme has nothing to do with the real thing, so it's in the game article where it belongs. Besides, the meme hasn't even been a thing for well over a decade now. Zaereth (talk) 23:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

707 Barrel Roll video
The YouTube video of the 707 barrel roll, while difficult to see, doesn't seem to show the craft with it's nose "at 90 degrees to the general path of flight" at any point. Is it necessary to be at fully 90 degrees, as described, at some point before the maneuver is considered a barrel roll? 65.174.156.30 (talk) 17:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Execution
Aileron roll includes an 'execution' section describing, generally, how one performs an aileron roll. Would a similar execution section be appropriate her for the barrel roll? 65.174.156.30 (talk) 17:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * A tutorial/execution section would be great, particularly if you have the authority and understanding to do so! —Sladen (talk) 22:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Some one would probably troll and add "Press Z or R twice" though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.182.56.160 (talk) 15:55, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I have a bit of understanding about these things, and can provide some citations. The article as it stands seems a bit confused abou what exactly a barrel roll is, and the various types of barrel rolls.

Typically, a barrel roll is any roll executed with both lift and roll vectors. In plain English, the roll is combined with the upward motion,(pulling back on the stick), to achieve a helical flight around the relative forward motion. This can be in a turn, or straight flight.

In air combat maneuvering, the term barrel roll usually refers to a maneuver designed to slow the relative forward motion, forcing an attacker to overshoot. The aircraft in such a roll often ends up completing the roll on the same trajectory. (Compared to an aileron roll, which is nose up 30 degrees, to compensate for lift vector, roll along the plane's axis, and nose back up 30 degrees to level.)

A barrel roll attack is the 3D equivalent of a 90 degree turn. It involves a much greater use of lift and much higher G's, being a rather violent maneuver.

A lag displacement roll is also called a high-G barrel roll, and is used to displace the aircraft's position during a hard turn, achieving a better firing solution. This is probably one of the most violent maneuvers. Info can be found here, http://library.thinkquest.org/3142/manuv.htm, or some of the sources in the ACM and BFM articles. Zaereth (talk) 01:15, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Canopy roll
It might be worth mentioning a canopy roll here. This is typically a roll over the top of an aircraft to get on the other side, although it is sometimes used just to provide lateral displacement. Barrel roll attacks and high-g barrel rolls rely on such lateral displacement to place the aircraft from its projected flightpath onto a new flightpath at a different angle, although a canopy roll usually places the aircraft on a new flightpath at the same angle. A true barrel roll will place the aircraft back on the original flightpath. I'll try to locate some references for a canopy roll, but it's usually a military maneuver and so does not seem to be well documented. I'll keep looking.

The animation here shows a canopy roll rather than an actual barrel roll. If someone can make a new animation that shows how a true barrel roll looks it would be helpful. I don't have a clue how to do animations. Zaereth (talk) 01:17, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Lots of British English
I was under the impression that Wikipedia uses American English. 50.137.201.131 (talk) 00:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia uses both American and British. The rule here is: Whatever form was used in starting the article, that form is kept. See WP:ENGVAR. Thiis particular article uses American. Zaereth (talk) 16:37, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Barrel Roll in literal term?
As far as I know, people refer the Aileron Roll as a Barrel Roll probably because the way that container barrels roll. The circular faces would be the front and back, and the lateral face would be the side. Luigithemetal64 (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * That's the first speculation I have ever heard about why the confusion exists. It is almost impossible to pinpoint a single reason why technical terms get mixed up when used by general (non-technical) speakers, but it is a common occurance in language. ("Temper" is an example, which was originally a blacksmith term, but became twisted to mean the opposite in general language.) Unfortunately, I have never seen the term "barrel roll" discussed in any reliable sources that track etymology like that.


 * As far as I can tell, the etymology of this article is quite unique to Wikipedia. Although it makes perfect sense, I have never found any books that discuss the origin of the term beyond dates. Webster's Dictionary says's ~ 1917 is when the term first came into use. Oxford's says between 1930 and 1935. I have seen the term, myself, actually used in sources that date as far back as 1931, but have never seen any earlier than that.


 * The barrel roll was originally called a "side somersault." It was first performed in 1906 by Danial Maloney. He was flying a glider owned by John Montgomery during an exhibition show, which was lifted by balloon and then released. During this particular show, Maloney did a very hard turn, causing the wings to warp, performing the maneuver quite by accident, but was quickly followed by his companion flyer, David Wilke, who did two barrel rolls in a row; one to the left and the other to the right. However, the term "side somersault" seems to have been the popular choice until the late twenties or early thirties. Zaereth (talk) 23:35, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

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Should we mention that aileron rolls are often mistakenly called barrel rolls?
because of Star Fox lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.114.200 (talk) 19:01, 12 December 2017 (UTC)


 * It's already mentioned in the article, although it's not because of Star Fox but rather the other way around. (The makers of Star Fox were just as confused as most other non-pilots.) The mention of Star Fox has been added and removed countless times due to it's irrelevance to real aerobatics. Zaereth (talk) 19:17, 12 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes,, we can mention anything we would, as long as there is a WP:CITE for it. —Sladen (talk) 19:25, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Google do a baby roll
But 2601:243:1A00:54D0:C03E:F015:80A4:6C0 (talk) 05:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)