Talk:Barry Island Pleasure Park

Advert
Some of the text on this page reads like an advert and looks like it may have been copied straight from park promotional material, maybe somebody more familiar with the park than I could improve the article? --ericthefish 16:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've reworded the article and removed information that looked obviously copied from the parks website --ericthefish 13:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

It would be interesting to hear from somebody that has visited the park in 2008 to see if it's still open and operating. If it is, maybe that person could update just what rides are open in the park. Grok00 (talk) 16:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Scenic Railway dimensions
I have changed the text about the Scenic Railway slightly. The Scenic at Barry Island was an exact copy of the Scenic Railway by Heidrich that still stands at Great Yarmouth Pleasure Beach. It was and could not possibly be slightly larger than the Scenic Railway; pictures of both show the virtually identical structure and placement of upright posts. Further, the ride simply would not function the same, owing to the fact that they are both gravitationally driven. -- Richard Mills 12:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.82.216.82 (talk)
 * There are several references and sources that refer to the Barry scenic being a layout copy, but a slightly scaled up version of the Great Yarmouth ride, with the specific intention of being able to hail it and advertise it as "the biggest scenic railway in Britain" at the time. The Barry railway is recorded as being one mile in length with an initial drop of 72 feet. Do you have the equivalent dimensions for Great Yarmouth? It is insufficient to say that they look identical and they are both gravity driven, as you could have potentially doubled the size of the ride and, as long as every element of the ride was similarly scaled up, the physics would still work. 21st CENTURY  GREENSTUFF 16:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

The Yarmouth Scenic is 5250ft in track length (published on the web by ACE), and 460ft long. The ride is 69ft above local ground (park tarmac) level; with the upright posts to track at 69'4". The first drop off the lift-hill is around 24'. The largest drop on the ride is the second one of 51'.

The Barry Scenic does not have an intial drop (first drop off the lift-hill) of 72'. Images show that this drop does not go right to the ground (or even close) as would be required for the ride to have a 72' foot drop. Also, the length of the ride would be significantly increased to the point where even scaling would distort the other drop layouts. I refer you to images on Nick Laister's page; http://www.barrywales.co.uk/scenicrailway.htm as well as images from Preedy -Shake, Rattle & Roll that show the drop-layout to be like the Yarmouth Scenic.

It is likely the figure of 72' refers to the maximum height of the lift-hill rather than the height of the drop. This is possible for a direct copy as the footers would only have to be slightly higher, and the datum for the Barry Scenic is unknown. I believe the road adjacent to the park was on a noticable gradient; sufficient at least for around a 18" difference in height (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32335433@N07/3067041598/). The whole structure at Barry could have been lifted in order to claim the largest Scenic in Britain. The Yarmouth Scenic's lowest point drops nearly five feet below local ground level. It is readily conceivable that the Barry Scenic had the exact dimensions but was lifted a few feet above the relative datum of the Yarmouth Scenic.

If the first drop of the Barry Scenic was 72' (which images contradict), then the ride length would have to be longer to the point where scaling the distance between the upright posts would not provide adequate structural integrity; at which point more upright posts would be needed. The comparison images show the exact copy layout of the uprights. Including some of the slight subtleties of the Yarmouth structure that could have been ommitted if the ride were scaled (these are seen in the northern face of the southern turnarounds of the Yarmouth Scenic - http://www.flickr.com/photos/32335433@N07/3066202117/in/set-72157610761734359/ where the uprights to the left of the image are packed together closer than general; exactly the pattern seen in the images in Preedy. Which would indicate (in my opinion) that the ride was directly copied rather than scaled as the centre post could be ommited with the longer track-joist spans resulting from the scaling. -- Richard Mills 03:20, 13 February 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmnnbbvvccxxzz (talk • contribs)

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