Talk:Barry Sanders/Archive 1

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Someone messed up the formatting on this page! - Chris L

Article needs a picture. I'll dig one up when I get home. Seriously... no picture of Barry? 132.42.128.28 13:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I think someone has been having fun with this page. "A beloved distant relative named Derek"? Also, the line under the Trivia heading.

Edit 1/4/07
The article said:

"His rushing yards and touchdowns in that year still stand (quite easily) as NCAA single season records in Division I-A (the all division record for rushing was broken in 2006 by Danny Woodhead of Chadron State College). "

I removed the reference to Danny Woodhead. The article specifically addresses Division 1A, negating a need for mention of the other record, to begin with. Second, this article is about Sanders, not about who has broken his records or when.

--L.A.F. 00:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Notable, not "notorious"
One of the introductory paragraph sentences claims Sanders is "notorious" for retiring in what was considered the middle of his career. This is a biased statement. A better word would be "notable."

"Notorious" fits the description of a steroid-user, or someone found to cheat game rules.

"cut...short" [ibid.] also connotes haphazardliness. As I recall, Sanders was deliberative about his decision, which may have reflected his personal value for reserved behavior (demonstrated practically every game by not making overstated gestures after touchdowns or long runs).

Emmitt Smith
Who added this?:

"Sanders career wil always be compared to that of his statistical rival Emmitt Smith. The 2 combined for 8 rushing titles during the 90's. Both had eerily similar physical makeups. Both were much smaller than the typical HB of that time. Sanders was famed for his dramatic all or nothing "east west" running style which garnered him many highlight reel runs but likewise many stalled drives and struggled in short yardage and goalline situations. Smith, while providing many highlights himself, was more of a "north south" runner who provided a more balanced running name and actually excelled in the short yardage game. Most consider him to be the best goalline back of all time. Many experts and fans have debated who was better with no real conclusion being drawn other than both can easily be regarded as the greatest ever and both are among the greatest players to ever play the game."

I thought this was an article on Barry Sanders...what's up with this little tidbit about Smith, with the obvious implication being that Smith was the better back? If you're going to, for some unknown reason, throw Emmit Smith into this article, please don't forget to add that this "North-South" runner who is considered by many "to be the best goalline back of all time" played behind one of the greatest offensive lines in NFL history.

Barry Sanders was not an 'all or nothing back' although I'm sure his detractors would like to think so. He gained 1, 2, 3, 5, 10, 15, 20 yards on any given play. The Lions pulled him out of goal line situations to prevent him from getting injured, not because he lacked some supernatural skill to fall into an endzone from 1 yard out. If this were the case, Tommy Vardell would be in the Hall of Fame by now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabs2020 (talk • contribs) 05:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree...mostly. The heading begins with 'retirement', so it's not the best spot for what was included. I was tempted to add some 'needs a cite' tags to that paragraph, but according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability, we should go ahead and delete the unsubstantiated writing, because the burden of evidence is on the contributor, not the editor. I noticed how you had some yardage figures between 1-20 yards on any given play, but why you didn't you mention any negative yardage? I've got a more balanced quote (showing ranges from minus-4 to 70 yards), which I'll add. I'm going to try rewrite that paragraph.Michael2 03:03, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

It is well noted that Sanders lost yards. In the article, the stat is already given that he owns the record for negative yardage. My comments about him come, not just from looking at stats, nor from taking the Sporting News as the ultimate source. I basically watched every available game that he played from '91 on. I think it would be of use if someone could actually find stats which detailed the number of 8 and 9 man fronts he, or any of the other great backs, faced. I've read your rewrite and it seems more appropriate, since there's a quote from the Sporting News. Personally, I think alot of the negative yardage criticism is unfair, since I've seen a lot of Sanders' losses where there were multiple defenders in the backfield when he lost yards. The numbers I added in the previous point were not meant to be exact, just to give a sense that I disagree with the notion that if Barry Sanders wasn't running for an 80 yard TD, he was being thrown for no gain or a loss. Anyways, I appreciate the work you've put into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabs2020 (talk • contribs) 00:34, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Barry sanders
BARRY SANDERS ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.172.164 (talk) 00:04, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit request
Please change Template:Infobox NFLactive back to Template:Infobox NFLretired, unless it was changed for a good reason. Also, the Hall of Fame should be mentioned a little more prominently in my opinion. Thanks. 72.65.194.175 (talk) 06:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ He is retired after all. Changing the infobox back to Infobox NFLretired also brought back the Hall of Fame prominently. Debresser (talk) 09:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * This was actually changed for a good reason. We are currently switching over all NFLretired infoboxes to NFLactive, as the NFLactive infobox can now support retired players. Also, it will be easier to switchover an active player to a retired player now when a player retires. I will revert the previous edits.  Eagles   24/7   (C)  19:46, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

We need an apostrophe in "Lions only playoff win," since it's possessive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom.arneberg (talk • contribs) 18:15, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅  Eagles   24/7  (C)  22:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC)