Talk:Bartender (manga)

Getting Started...
I love this anime, so I'm going to help in making this a decent article. I've uploaded screenshots for the first three episodes and I will capture one for the fourth. Later tonight I'll do the summaries for the episodes and character summaries as well. I will also look around for an image from the manga. --Iriseyes 04:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

This anime's really cool. I love the opening. Good animation too. The bottles in the background look very real. If there's anything I can do to help, I'd be glad to. Animeboye 19:50, 08 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd mainly suggest that you work on episode summaries. I'm off for three weeks from school starting the 15th, so I'll be doing a lot of work on this article, but if you'd like to get some work done before then, please feel free. --Iriseyes 17:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I have expanded the character section, and gone in-depth on the character section. I've uploaded the character's screenshots from the anime, and if you wish, please check for corrections. I have also added a summary for episode 8, and if possible I would like you guys to add detailed summaries for the leftovers. Thanks. Piecemealcranky 15:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, the Character section about Ryuu has some obvious mistakes. The plot about episode 9 is totally wrong, Ryuu actually made two mistakes: the first one is about the woman, but what's wrong is the glass holding the drink (BTW the man is not the woman's husband); the second is about the man, Ryuu misunderstood the man and the man died after being the first customer of Eden Hall before Ryuu could say sorry to him. --Lemontree 11:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

And the bar Ryuu runs is not opened by himself. It is revealed in the last episode that he took over the bar from its previous owner and he is waiting for someone else like him to continue it. --Lemontree 11:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

This article is catered more towards the anime as there are some major differences between the manga and the anime.75.64.81.225 (talk) 20:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 06:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

You need to chill man, here have a drink, decantered from an incredible height! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.184.165.20 (talk) 23:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Volume 13?
I've seen a thirteenth volume of Bartender advertised online: http://benippon.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=22105

Should we take this as evidence that: a) we should increase the number of volumes b) the series is still active? Dlr192 (talk) 21:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Review
David Welsh critic/reviewer for The Comic Reporter --KrebMarkt 10:25, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

THEM Anime Reviews --Gabriel Yuji (talk) 02:53, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Analysis
I guess this analysis are not appropriate for reception but I guess they are useful. Not sure, though, were to put it... if in a themes or style section, or in the anime section itself... Gabriel Yuji (talk) 19:16, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * "the show is documentary style, with the principal characters talking about their experiences in past tense, and how their bartender, Ryu Sasakura, the “Glass of the Gods,” gave them an amazing drink and just the right perspective they needed to get past their problems." -- Michael Toole, ANN
 * It uses "new-wave cinematic trickery such as fifth wall breaches, stagy narration, odd transitions, and use of stage conventions such as monologues and spotlights (complete with sound effects)" -- Carl Kimlinger, ANN
 * "Ryuu himself is the most observant bartender ever. He can tell a person's emotion from their hands, can taste two different drinks mixed together, can tell whether or not a person is lying, and can even make out the names of drinks from just from descriptions of a bottle's texture" -- Tim Jones, THEM Anime Reviews
 * "The plots are pretty straightforward and are mainly episodic. Ryuu meets a customer, they talk, and he serves them a drink, making them feel better in the process. To its credit, Bartender tries every way possible to spice up this scenario. The customers vary greatly, from a con man swindling a single mother by pretending to love her, a young couple's inability to settle on a single drink in a bar, and a scriptwriter and a director who's annoyed with his inability to finish the script because he doesn't have the "inspiration" needed to finish it. One episode about a spineless man who reluctantly transfers from his current job under pressure from his boss even makes numerous references to Ernest Hemingway's "The Old Man and the Sea"." -- Jones
 * "Contrary to the assumption that alcohol is about losing oneself or actively and repeatedly drowning resurfacing sorrows, Bartender insists the right drink at the right time (“The Glass of the Gods”) is about starting an earnest conversation with oneself. That’s why there’s no printed menu at Eden Hall, the fictional bar tucked away in a corner of Tokyo’s Ginza’s district, only a “menu of the heart.”" -- Ink, Ani-Gamers
 * "The series maintains that the most important talent for a bartender is the imagination towards people, the power to create a human story within the glass that opens up each barstool occupant’s heart to introspection." -- Ink

Overview
So in the final paragraph, you end with "being entitled to this." Do you mean that Sasakura is entitled to drink or serve the "Glass of the Gods", what I assume is a drink? If so, it might be helpful to put in a few words about why he is entitled to this. If it goes into too much detail, then we might want to remove that part of the sentence. I just want to try and clear it up a little to make it less ambiguous! I am enjoying the article, and learning about something new. Thank you! -Pax85 (talk) 03:04, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for picking it up for copyedit, ! I wasn't expecting someone would chose it so quickly. "Glass of the Gods" is not exactly a drink but it's in fact Ryu's capacity to prepare "the right drink at the right time"—the one that will help customers to reflect upon theirs lives and help them into solving their problems. And by "entitled" I mean he's known by the name "Glass of the Gods" because of this ability. Wow, glad to know that you're enjoying the article (I'm biased to say but the series is very enjoyable too! :P). And there's no problem in requesting clarifications. English is not my first language so I guess probably there will be some miscommunication. But I hope it to be the most clear and accessible as possible. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 03:27, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Wonderful! That makes a lot more sense now, and I will head back to the article to take a look. You use English very well, by the way! If I have any other questions about the copyedit, I will post them here. It's almost 11PM local time, so I won't do much more today, although I should get the overview done. -Pax85 (talk) 05:42, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Final Thoughts
Overall, very good. Thanks for the invite; I might even have to check out the series myself! Once you submit it for review at the anime and manga project, they may be able to provide more suggestions, but I do have a couple of final thoughts:


 * In the "manga" section it might be helpful to explain why Ren Sajim was influential. Once you do this you might have to break up those first few sentences, which would help overall flow anyway.
 * Any chance of providing an additional illustration or two, or perhaps a frame shot from the anime or live-action series?

Again, thank you for the opportunity to learn about Bartender. If you have any questions or need further help, please let me know! -Pax85 (talk) 04:52, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for a late response, . I've removed that Ren Sajima was influential on him. I took it from the Japanese Wikipedia ("続編『バーテンダー à Paris』『バーテンダー à Tokyo』の主人公・佐島 蓮（さじま れん）にも影響を与えた人物. ") but I'm unsure who influenced who. Anyway, their Bartender à Paris seems to imply he is a non-related character. Also, all sources there only mention he is a new protagonist but does not give any further information. The same goes from sources in French, Italian or Portuguese. I have no access to it all but I'll try to give any detail when I can. I guess another image is a good idea but I'm unsure if I can give a good WP:NFC rationale for it. When I've wrote the article I had only watched the anime TV series and not read the manga. I'm still reading it but I've already reworded the plot to better reflect a manga perspective. On the other hand, I've added a bit from reviewers input on the anime style and split "Overview" into "Plot" and "Themes and style". Can you take a look on it? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 03:34, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries, ; we all have busy lives! I will take a look at it and get back to you within a day or two. - Pax  Verbum  23:45, 18 July 2015 (UTC)