Talk:Barty Crouch Junior

There needs to be SOME sort of distinction between film and book versions. The article currently states that he has brown hair and green eyes, whereas in the book it's stated that he has 'straw blonde' hair and his eye colour isn't mentioned. --Ryttu3k 08:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

JeLuF wonders if this is copyvio. I don't think so. I've been following 12.203.10.240 around Wikipedia: he/she is generating a tremedous number of edits with misspellings. The edits are coming awfully quick for OCR, and jump between Harry Potter and Star Wars. I think he/she is writing things from scratch.

Phew, I'm tired from the editing. -- hike395 05:43, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Loyalty
I don't understand the classification of "none, formerly Death Eater". Sirius Black isn't listed as "none, formerly Order of the Phoenix", is he?
 * Fixed this. It's annoying how people treat the situation after the most recent book as if it were "present day".

I suppose one could argue that since Crouch Jr is still technically alive, but has lost all sense of self, he no longer has any loyalties. One might contrast this with Black's situation, because the latter is dead. Dione Maddern 05:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Birthdate
I added his birth and deathdate. The deathdate is obviously from GoF, the birthdate is based on the chapter "The Pensieve", where it is said during the Death-Eater trials, that he's around 18 years old. The trials play in late 1981 and probably 1982. Doing the math, that makes his birthyear around 1963. - Sebastian
 * I'm removing the deathdate, because the books make it clear that while the Dementor's Kiss is "worse than death", it isn't death. He's still alive, but has no soul. --Angr/undefined 12:07, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Differences Between Film And Book
I think someone should create a scetion on this as, more than any other character, his was so radically altered. Changes in his behaviour, appearance, and in the plot all deserve mention. I think there should also be a fanart picture of crouch as described in the book, as Tennant's appearance in the film differs so radically.

Someone removed his eyes colour, whick I put blue. His eyes are blue in the mivie.


 * I expanded a very wee bit on the plot difference, but did not create a section. -JohnRDaily 21:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

The Edit War on the Color
I see the problem, and I want to help. You see, black letters on gold seems to be the standard "HP template". However, if you click on the link at the bottom of this Barty's page, you can find a list of all the Death Eaters. And, other than Severus Snape (who WAS a Death Eater, but has the Standard HP color template, probably because he's a character that more Harry Potter fans care about) and Draco Malfoy, which are more complicated characters, death eaters DO have the black and white color template. Then there's Draco! He has entirely different colors altogether! Black on Green- very odd, not standard to anything, not even Slytherin colors! See for yourself: Draco Malfoy. So, perhaps we should change ALL the Death Eaters, and Draco, to the Gold and Black. Then no one can complain? I don't know. Help, please! Emily 17:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well the standard HP character template has been standardized to use #fc0 background and #000 foreground. That's why I keep reverting the anon IP that keeps reconnecting to change the colours. Every character has this.


 * Explain to me why you are posting this on several HP characters' talk pages when we are more than capable of discussing it on just the one? I have them all in my watchlist. — NathanHP (T • C • W) 07:44, 28 March 2006 (UTC) oops, sorry?

This topic of Info Box Colours is being discussed on the Harry Potter Project talk page please put forth you views there, to try and reach a consensus. Also could I please remind everybody to remain civil and respect other peoples opinions. Thanks. Death Eater Dan    ( Muahaha ) 23:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Death Eaters are Black and White. See WikiProject_Harry_Potter/Templates. Any changes to this format should be discussed on the WikiProject's Talk page. Do not revert the colors on this page again. &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 00:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I was corrected - the correct infobox colours are at WikiProject_Harry_Potter/Templates. There is no problem, just a misunderstanding. Let's work to resolve this without harsh words. — NathanHP (T • C • W) 05:33, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I saw that too. Sorry. I tried to help by posting this on the talk page(s). I now know that I was wrong, just like nathanHP. I hope I helped anyway! Emily 22:33, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Jr vs Jr.
Why no period after Jr? BTW the movie lists him as Barty Crouch Junior (no abbreviation) and his father as Barty Crouch (no Sr or anything) 68.4.225.187 07:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know about American English, but in British English we don't place a stop after an abbreviation if the final letter has been retained. That means approx., but no Mrs.: and Sr, not Sr.. Michaelsanders 12:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Identification by his father in film
Identification by his father in film is obvious, the lick of his lips which appears in the court room and previously when he is in moody's form.

Sorry, is there a point here? Faithlessthewonderboy 16:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I fail to see one Creamypeanutbutter 08:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Merging to Minor Harry Potter characters
Merging this article into the one linked above would not be useful. The average description on that page is 40-60 words per character. None of the characters listed on that page are absolutely central to the plot of the books- they may all have been mentioned, however the books would have been nearly the same without their characters. Barty Crouch Junior, however was extremely central to the plot of Goblet of Fire, and should still retain his current article. Creamypeanutbutter 08:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC) Modified Creamypeanutbutter 08:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree whole heartedly. Crouch Jr was arguably the second most important character in GoF, after HP obviously. He is absolutely integral to the plot of the novel and in no way is a minor character. Faithlessthewonderboy 21:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe Barty Crouch jr. to be the central protaonist for the majority of the book an therefore is not a minor characterE-flah 12:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Er, I think you mean antagonist. Therequiembellishere 17:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I just wonder who decide to suggest such a merge. In any case, he should be merged with the Minor Dark Wizards, not with Minor Characters. Maybe we can write all the things that Crouch did as Alastor Moody in the Moody article and then write a section for revelations (that the real Moody was kidnaped and captured by Crouch). The article about Barty Crouch Jr shall be merged into the Minor Dark Wizards with only some brief background information, removing the info from the film (that can be placed in the article of differences between book and film). This brief background section in Minor Dark Wizards shall contain who's his father, why he was sent to Azkaban, how he escaped, that he impersonated Moody and then received the Dementor kiss. Lord Opeth 18:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * While I might not like it, I can understand the suggested merging of some characters, Narcissa Malfoy, Irma Pince, etc. But I definitely feel that Crouch Jr. is deserving of his own article. Goblet of Fire basically revolved around him, he is certainly not a minor character. faithless   (speak)  00:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Faithless.71.92.70.77 04:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You're quite welcom, anonymous editor. :) faithless   (speak)  05:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)