Talk:Bass to Mouth

Is Lemmiwinks devastated?
"Though the content of Wikileaks' tabloid website is deleted, Lemmiwinks is devastated at having to have killed his own brother." I don't think he's devastated at all. I don't know, if Trey and Matt have informed themselves about rats before they brought this up, but the fight and the killing seems completely normal in a rat's life to me. I had rats as pets, and they fought just like they did. The fact, that the ghosts think, that he's devastated, doesn't mean anything, considering the fact, that Lemmiwinks never did anything on his own but follow his own instincts; as a rat does, that is. I think we have a complete other type of continuity here, that is missed: Lemmiwinks never does anything, while the ghosts always think that everything is total meaningful in Lemmiwink's life. I can't change that right now, maybe someone would like to do that. --Splidttercrist (talk) 09:31, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * On reflection, it does seem that that line may have been intended as ironic, so because it's not entirely clear, and not a very salient point, I've removed it. Nightscream (talk) 11:52, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree completely. Lemmiwinks is an ordinary gerbil, but the animal spirits think that he is more than that when he really isn't. 205.133.169.99 (talk) 11:49, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Brad Paisley
Country singer Brad Paisley had the opportunity to do background voices for this episode. He should be listed a guest star. Source: http://www.cmt.com/news/cmt-offstage/1672826/offstage-brad-paisley-visits-south-park.jhtml — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nwt0 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Where does that source mention which episode he guested in? I see no mention of this episode, or any episode; it doesn't seem to name the episode in question. Nightscream (talk) 00:02, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Here's a link to a picture of his name in the credits: http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8871/bradpaisleykilledkenny.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.184.47.129 (talk) 00:25, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Animated "The Hobbit" Movie
So I have not posted on Wikipedia before, but somehow this is not mentioned in either this article or the previous Lemmiwinks episode "The Death Camp of Tolerance." The music and vocal styles playing for all the characters associated with Lemmiwinks in both episodes is taken from the animated "The Hobbit" movie with the lyrics changed. For example, the music and vocals playing near the end of this episode where Lemmiwinks and the kids were going to school to stop Wikileaks is exactly the same as the part where the orcs chase Bilbo and the dwarves in the cave in the movie. The only difference is the lyrics. I would not really know how to add it to the article, but someone else must have realized where the music was coming from and can do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.207.218.196 (talk) 19:33, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia! Regarding references and homages in works of fiction or satire, please see WP:SYNTH. Thanks. :-) Nightscream (talk) 21:34, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I noticed someone added the fact about the music in the episode (specifically the final bus ride song, although there are several cases in all) being taken from The Hobbit movie and then you removed it. It should probably be re-inserted for accuracy. Also, someone else referred to it as a parody, but the second person was probably correct about all the music from The Hobbit being used as more of an homage than a parody. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.251.39.63 (talk) 23:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Unless a reliable source backs this up, it is considered original research. –  Richard  BB  23:39, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Google the song Down, Down, To Goblin Town from the Hobbit. The resemblance is uncanny.--98.198.24.90 (talk) 11:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Again, that's doesn't constitute a reliable source. Simply listening to the song and saying that the episode makes a reference to it is original research. –  Richard  BB  13:20, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Source here- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPkqjc23yqs From the Ranken/Bass animated film, "The Hobbit" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.88.228 (talk) 05:16, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Please see WP:SYNTH. YouTube is not a source, and neither is the primary source material. A reliable source for material like this is a secondary source that explicitly establishes the connection, and not merely the two works whose connection is asserted by Wikipedia editors. Nightscream (talk) 17:55, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

If you must have a source that specifically links these two obscure pop-culture references; I suppose I could offer a link to this review of the episode. http://www.tvfanatic.com/2011/10/south-park-review-bass-to-mouth/ The link between the Ranken/Bass material and the south park parody is discussed there...

Such links were also established in the episode "Death Camp of Tolerance"(http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/The_Death_Camp_of_Tolerance). But seeing as how these comparisons exist of physical media that requires listening to the content; I hope these will suffice as nowhere have I seen the creators of the show cite what they are parodying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.88.228 (talk) 00:11, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Please see WP:USERG. Sites whose content is user-generated, such as blogs, forums, wikis, imdb, etc., are not considered reliable sources. I don't know if TV Fanatic is considered reliable, but it doesn't mention anything about Rankin Bass. The only place on the page where the name comes up is in the comments section, which is not from that column's writer or editorial staff, but from a user. As for Wikia, that's a wiki. Nightscream (talk) 02:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Did anyone ask if this meant South Park was in the "assassinate Julian Assange" camp?
Did anyone ask if this meant South Park was in the "assassinate Julian Assange" camp? Would seem noteworthy if so --12.213.80.55 (talk) 18:41, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

For me, they're rather pointing out the ambiguity of the whole topic (right of rulers to do some things secretly vs right of citizens to know when getting screwed). Anyway, we'd have to find a reference in a serious publication to discuss this in the article.--JakobvS (talk) 21:09, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

It wouldn't be possible that South Park used the "rat" to characterize Assange, would it? --PatrioticHippie (talk) 09:52, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * What difference does it make? Do any of you have a source per WP:V, WP:NOR and WP:IRS? Nightscream (talk) 09:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

What difference? I'm guessing it would be a very pertinent fact in regard to the episode's storyline, but believe me I realize how close to home that point is in this case. I wonder if a direct quote from Trey Parker stating what I asked was in fact the case would qualify as verification here. --PatrioticHippie (talk) 09:51, 27 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Surely analysis and reviews by sites like IGN or TV Review or whatever would be enough? It wouldn't' be reporting what the episode was actually about, only what professional TV reviews impressions were. It's clear that this article is starving for some kind of analysis in any case. 202.171.168.178 (talk) 10:18, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

If anyone here had such sources, don't you think they would've added them? If not, then the point is moot. Every single episode seems to generate people coming onto these talk pages asking "Was this little thing in the episode a reference to that real-life thing?"?, essentially treating talk pages like this as if they're a message board. They're not. They're solely to discuss ways to improve the article. If you don't have sources for these endless speculative questions, then what's the point of asking them here? Does anyone think that other editors here have sources that they're sitting on, and are just waiting for someone to ask for them before adding their material to the article? If you have a question about the content, then why not search through IGN or whatever? Why ask about it here? Nightscream (talk) 20:15, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Gossip Girl Reference?
Eavesdropper seemed like a reference to Gossip Girl to me, should that be referenced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.44.27.88 (talk) 23:38, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have any sources/articles saying this? Or perhaps an interview with one of the creators or anything?Meatsgains (talk) 23:49, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Look at the first sentence: http://www.tvfanatic.com/2011/10/south-park-preview-bass-to-mouth/ and also look at: http://splitsider.com/2011/10/south-park-recap-bass-to-mouth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.44.27.88 (talk) 00:22, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ya, i think it should be referenced. The above user's links point to a reference to gossip girl.MilkStraw532 (talk) 23:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It was added to the article four days ago. Nightscream (talk) 05:03, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 April 2012
The song played while Lemmiwinks is being delivered to the school to fight his brother WikiLeaks is a homage to "Down, Down to Goblin Town" from the 1977 animated feature, Italic text'The Hobbit'Italic text.

123.121.200.3 (talk) 14:30, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Please see WP:PSTS. Nightscream (talk) 14:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Piped links advice
I am asking for advice regarding my edit here, please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Linking. -84user (talk) 19:29, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I deleted the link. It seemed like spam Bhny (talk) 21:32, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You only deleted the ref, but left the easter-egg link itself in place. I've removed that too, as being both a BLP violation and against the WP:EGG guidance. I think 84user's suggested text that avoids the easter-egg problem ("a rat, drawn with blonde hair to reference Julian Assange") could well be reinserted, if a suitable reliable source for that is found, but in the absence of the ref you removed I couldn't do that right now. The other wording, with "a rat" simply linked to the Assange article, is a pretty blatant BLP violation, because it amounts to a statement, made in Wikipedia's editorial voice, that "Julian Assange is a rat". Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:03, 16 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, you and 84user are right. Sorry I only saw the ref when I did the first edit. I don't know why Nightscream keeps reverting to that piped link. That's not the way links should work at all Bhny (talk) 15:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)