Talk:Bat-and-ball games

Categories
Having difficulty finding the right category for this page. Perhaps it is a category itself, or a sub-categoryBuffalohead 21:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

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== "(Removed this section as it has nothing to do with Safe Haven games)" That depends on one's understand of how games come about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buffalohead (talk • contribs) 17:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Definition
This seems to be a very ambiguous definition. Cricket for example is much much complicated then just "reaching designated safe base". Salil.gokhale (talk) 21:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

The definition is supposed to be ambiguous. This is a class of games. Cricket is more complicated than just reaching a safe haven, just as baseball and any of the other games are more complicated than reaching a safe haven. Human physiology is more complex than simply having live births, hair, and mammary glands, just as the physiology of a bear is more complex than any of those things, yet both humans and bears are classified as mammals. If you're looking for specific information on the complexities of any one of these listed sports, you can read the article on that specific sport. This page is about the entire class of games in general. 68.207.237.255 (talk) 08:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

"bat-and-ball" games?
Wait a minute! If punchball and kickball and pizeball, etc., are [understandably] to be included, and they don't use bats, why call these bat-and-ball games? "Bat-and-ball" games would include tennis and hurling and field hockey and croquet and golf and other such games, no? Should we just use a name that reflects the central feature of the listed games, the existence of the safe-haven base?

Anyway, I'd like to integrate this list of games with the longer list on the Protoball Games Glossary. How do I connect to the author[s] to facilitate that?

Mccrayl (talk) 14:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC) Larry McCray


 * If you can think of a better name, by all means name it. Those games you list don't use bats, but they are modeled after classic bat-and-ball games, which involve running around bases or wickets or whatever. Tennis, handball, squash, badminton, volleyball, etc. are a different class of games that could be called "volleying" games. All forms of football, hockey, and basketball, and also hurling, are basically "goal games", another class. Do you see the distinctions? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 14:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe this article should be at "Safe haven games" (or "Safe-haven games"?) instead? cmadler (talk) 13:54, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What sources, if any, use that term? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:11, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know, I just saw it as an alternate name in the first sentence of this article and it made more sense to me. ("Bat-and-ball games (or safe haven games to avoid confusion with the club games like golf and hockey) are field games played by two teams.") Searching for it is tough because there is (or was) a game designer called "Safe Haven Games". I see that Protoball uses that term (their explanation of why they prefer it), are they reliable? cmadler (talk) 13:48, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In some bat and ball games, challenges are being introduced. If the call stands while the offensive team challenges the defensive player's play, a run shall be awarded to the defensive team. 98.113.66.6 (talk) 13:59, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Proposed re-org
Unless someone objects, I think this page desperately needs to be re-organized into categories of bat-and-ball sports, followinmg Maigaard's research in the 30s-40s. Basically longball, roundball, "others" (things like trap-ball, which fit neither category); and cricket, which is a sort of hybrid. Solicitr (talk) 14:33, 10 May 2020 (UTC)