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This page has for a large part been made by taking material elsewhere from Wikipedia. Because of this, apart from names that can be got from the page history, the following must be considered main authors of this page. Andre Engels 00:00, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
 * LazLong (on the page Jim Steinman)
 * RjLesch (on the page Meat Loaf)

Debut album or not?
I'm a little puzzled. How can this be Meat Loaf's second album, and still the best-selling debut album of all time up to 1995? &mdash; Pladask 09:23, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's his first solo album - the other being an LP duet with Stoney Murphy called Stoney & Meatloaf [sic]. Gorrister 5 July 2005 12:36 (UTC)
 * Plus, everyone ignores Stoney & Meatloaf because it didn't chart well. Backoffbugaloo 8:25, June 16, 2006 (UTC)

Plus, everyone ignores "Free For All", the Ted Nugent album becuase it is, after all, a Ted Nugent album. Still, Meat Loaf sang 5 of the 9 songs on the original version of the album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.68.216.159 (talk) 19:19, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

cover
should there be a clearer better quality album cover? perferably one without the "compact disc" logo.

Added a reference to Terry Pratchett's book "Soul Music", since the book's cover shows a homage to the album cover. Unfortunately, the wiki page of the book "Soul Music" shows a modern version of the cover instead of the original cover designed by Josh Kirby. Is it possible to add a scan of the orginal cover without copyright conflicts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.13.8.56 (talk) 13:07, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have any definitive reliable sources confirming that the book's cover is indeed a homage. A quick Google search shows that many fans have observed similarities, but we need a quotation to the people involved in its publication if we are to definitively say it it a homage. The JPS talk to me  16:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * What about this one? http://www.ie.lspace.org/books/apf/soul-music.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.13.7.42 (talk) 08:44, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * What makes this a reliable source? Who are the authors? Are they professionals with credentials, or just fans? If the latter, then the link isn't suitable, I'm afraid. The JPS talk to me  22:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, when you read the book "Soul Music", you will find lots of references to all kind of rock music, and to Meat Loaf as well. However, I consider it too much work to write down all of this, so I thought it would be interesting to the reader of the "Bat out of hell" article to learn that the motif has been used by Terry Pratchett in his story (and thus been depicted by Josh Kirby for the cover of the book). If you consider this piece of information not reliable enough, then you may remove it again from the article. That's probably the first and last time for me trying to contribute to Wikipedia... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.13.11.229 (talk) 08:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

UK Chart
"It is also one of only two albums that have never exited the top 200 in the UK charts."... which one is the other? - Pink Floyd: Dark Side of The Moon?

Australian release
[The general Australian CD release was in fact the "revamped" edition with "dead ringer for love" featured, although the booklet and coverart make no mention of this track (the track is listed on the disc itself, however).]

The above is untrue. I have owned all the Australian releases of "Bat" on CD and can verify that "Dead Ringer for Love" is only on the Revamped and 25th Anniversary editions.

"Bat out of Hell"
I've heard this phrase in common English where it doesn't refer specifically to this song. Did this album create or popularize the phrase, or did it exist before? If so, when did it first appear? Thanks. --pie4all88 10:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * As an update, I found out where the phrase comes from using http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003264.html and I put the etymology in the aricle:
 * "The phrase "Bat out of Hell" did not originate with the album or song; it can be traced back to the Greek playwright Aristophanes' 414 BC work entitled The Birds. In it is what is believed to be the first reference to a bat out of Hell:
 * "Near by the land of the Sciapodes there is a marsh, from the borders whereof the unwashed Socrates evokes the souls of men. Pisander came one day to see his soul, which he had left there when still alive. He offered a little victim, a camel, slit his throat and, following the example of Odysseus, stepped one pace backwards. Then that bat of a Chaerephon came up from hell to drink the camel's blood."" --pie4all88 21:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Along with?
It is written in the article that albums "is also one of only two albums that have never exited the top 200 in the UK charts. This makes it the longest stay in any chart in the world." Which album is the other? Pink Floyds Dark Side of the Moon?

"Red Album"
I've just seen that fans started to call it "The Red Album" (because of the cover? the lyrics?). Unfortunately the board were I saw it has been shutted --Hattakiri 22:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * as a fan, I've never seen anyone call it "the red album" Evil Nickname 19:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Back Cover Art
Not that the Wiki is the right place to ask q's I can't find a answer to elsewhere, but here goes anyway... Something that's been bugging me for years (I first got the album when I was 11 and I'm now 36) - on the photo on the back of Bat out of Hell, who are the other two? I suspect one is Jim Steinman, but does anyone know who the woman is? Is it worth adding to the page if anyone does know? Tomtom08 20:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

-The woman featured in 'You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth'? 143.92.1.33 03:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

-Not sure - that'd be Marcia McClain, who did the intro with Steinman, but I can't find a photo of her. Ellen Foley, vocalist on 'Paradise...', has the right kind of hair and figure as the woman on the back cover. Tomtom08 16:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Concept?
Is the album as a whole a concept album or a rock opera?

Importance and class
This album's definitely one of high importance, but for some reason is a very undersourced article considering. How about this be sorted out? -- linca linca  06:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Typing of "Bat out of Hell"
There is a serious problem happening with the way "Bat out of Hell" is written.

The main Wiki article title is "Bat out of Hell" but the first bolded words on the article and above the picture say "Bat Out of Hell".

Bat Out of Hell II: Back into Hell is how the 2nd Album is spelt on the First album Page but the 2nd Album has "Bat out of Hell II: Back into Hell" as it's title and everywhere in that article

Bat Out of Hell III: The Monster Is Loose is how the 3rd album is spelt on the 1st album page but the 3rd album's heading is spelt "Bat out of Hell III: The Monster Is Loose" and the writing over the picture is "Bat Out Of Hell III: The Monster Is Loose".

Etc etc etc etc.

We need have all the articles right. They were all the same up until about 1 month ago then someone minced it. I personally think "Bat out of Hell" is how it should be spelt on all articles BUT I do have the Australian release of Bat II which calls it "Bat Out of Hell II: Back Into Hell". Its a rather awkward thing to do as everyone had their own opinions.
 * Consistency is good, but, yes, someone is always going to break it. Personally, I don't care. Some people are a little obsessed over such minor issues. I think there are greater things to be concerned about. The JPS talk to me  11:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Good Article nomination
This article is close to meeting the GA criteria. However, I would suggest an expansion of the second paragraph of the lead section. The following sentence also needs re-writing, for clarity: Although "Jim could hear all the instruments", the singer claims that Steinman hummed rather than orchestrating.[9]

I've decided to put this article on hold as the article is close to GA status, however the issues noted above must be dealt with before GA status can be awarded. I hope that this can be addressed within the seven days allowed by on hold, and wish you all the best with your editing... -- Johnfos 11:13, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * thanks for your comments. Hopefully I have made the improvements you suggest? The JPS talk to me  12:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the improvements. Have promoted the article to GA now. Wish you all the best with your editing... Johnfos 22:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Sales Figure
The wikipedia article List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide pins Bat Out of Hell at around 37 million albums, whereas this article says 43 million, could someone find out which is right?24.65.95.239 (talk) 22:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've removed the figure from the lead, unless anyone can provide a reliable source. From now on, changes to figures will be immediately reverted unless a reliable source can be provided. I cited the 34m figure when I wrote this article last summer. The JPS talk to me  22:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Move?
Bat out of Hell → Bat Out of Hell &mdash; Not much description required here - this is simply a case where "Out" should be capitalized. CycloneGU (talk) 01:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:MOSTM? :: "out of" is a 2-word preposition with total > 3 letters but each component word with <=3 letters. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There was no consensus to move at Talk:Bat out of Hell (song), and that one was a parallel request for moving an article with exactly the same title, except for disambiguation qualifiers. Also, out of is a preposition, and prepositions are not usually capitalised in album/song titles. Jafeluv (talk) 10:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

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Weeks in UK chart (Reception)
According to the 'official charts company' website the album has now spent 521 weeks in the UK top 100. (And rumours has still outdone it with 673 weeks). I don't know if rumours is still the only album to beat it though so I didn't make the update.

References for the numbers are as follows:

http://www.officialcharts.com/artist/20647/meat-loaf/

http://www.officialcharts.com/artist/28702/fleetwood%20mac/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.20.136.3 (talk) 18:26, 6 April 2017 (UTC)